Author Topic: What's wrong with "International " Space Station (Read 1845 times)

Animal · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2001, 03:37:00 PM »

eth·no·cen·trism (thn-sntrzm)
n.

1. Belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group.
2. Overriding concern with race.

Oh sure, you know some big words there buddy, too bad you have no diddlying clue how and when to use them, except to try to make yourself seem smarter.

What does this has anything to do with the space station?

Under the same logic, money spent for the building of all the seven wonders were badly spent.

The space station may not be a great economic achievemnt for the US, but it is a great achievment for mankind. For the first time we are gonna have a permanent outpost in space built in cooperation by many nations, from wich we can conduct several types of experiments, including building a telescope even more powerful than Hobble, and experiments wich will lead to a manned space-flight to mars.

But of course, those things do not concern you. Money does.

miko2d · « **Reply #16 on:** April 12, 2001, 04:09:00 PM »

In addition to what LePaul said, US Space program did not suck out all the best brains from the US economy. When offered a six-digit salary by a company producing something usefull, many scientists did not choose to work for NASA.
What use of a space program to people who did not live to enjoy it's fruits?

Boroda,
Here is a very curious thing. I've always read (in russian literature) that russian soldiers and pilots used their initiative and germans and americans were blindly following the book.
When I got access to the statements of the opposite side, guess what - completely opposite. Russians are the dumb guys and germans/americans/israelis are thinking and using the initiative.
Do not belive that roadkill about initiative unless it comes from an enemy praise. Russians are no dumber or smarter then americans. With the social system and customs beng the only difference, I would be surprised if it was russians who had more initiative. Ingenuity maybe - we had to do with little while americans could go out and buy things. Initiative - no.

I saw an iterview with the guy who collided the spaceship into Mir. That was a prime example of a cosmonauts blindly following regulation, afraid of his bosses more then of death and not dearing to abort the run and waste a few hours/liters of fuel. All that while using crappy visual system that was showing crap and cuttng out intermittently. not much initiative there.

Of course US Astronauts would listen to the advice of experts. Why not? If there is time, why not listen to the advice of people who 've built the equipment and have a copy down to experiment with. It's not like an american out of communications would just lay down and die up there...

miko

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2001, 04:24:00 PM »

How could anyone be suprised by this development? I stick with my initial observation from last December:

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The thing looks incredible. I think its just a beta-unit for a space-based Hyatt Regency they are going to launch in 2004.

AKDejaVu

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »

What use is the ISS?

In order to go to other places, besides Earth and the Moon, we will need to build our ships in orbit. They will be too heavy to launch from Earth. In order to build them in orbit we need to gain experience in orbital construction (its not exactly an environment that we are used too) and we will need a base from which to operate. The ISS will probably not work as a shipyard, but it does get us valuable experience in zero G construction. In addition it will allow the practical testing of systems that have been developed as solutions to problems found on Mir, or solutions that should be better than those used on Mir.

We have to learn to walk before we can run and there are steps between going to the Moon and going to Mars.

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Tac · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2001, 04:49:00 PM »

The ISS is an international version of MIR and SKYLAB. Why is it up there? Well, for once it is a place to prove, develop and learn about long term stays in space, they have whole fricken sections of the station devoted to experiments, it will also provide a lot of data and lessons for any future manned space station, hopefully a permanently manned one.

WTF you people want? DS9?

Im truly amazed how many countries are participating, that itself is a great step foward.

As for having tourists up there... why not? Only a millionaire would be able to go up there at these stages, and even if some lame bellybutton hollywood actor with too much money on his hands goes up there, he may end up giving donations to NASA or aid the space program... being in space is a deep experience. Tourists being a danger? You'd think someone with the money to pay his way up there would have the brains to keep his hand to himself.

Anyway, ISS is up there, its good, lets hope it helps us make a base on the moon in the future, its about fricken time we got up there!!!

miko2d · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »

There are some alloys/compounds that you can only obtain in weightless conditions. Much easier to mix stuff when it does not separate right away due to gravity.
Have yet to see practical applications though...

miko

mietla · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »

The race is on again

Udie · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2001, 07:00:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda:
Miko, Russia made all the key life-support systems for ISS, the thing that Americans can't make at all. Russian cosmonauts said that Space Shuttle "stinks as a railroad toilet".

Hehehe yeah the shuttle realy stinks compaired to your Russian 20 year old reusable reentry ship.

Boroda, shouldn't you be in line for bread?

Udie

silly commies

Animal · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2001, 11:32:00 PM »

lol udie
that was quite cynical
i loved it

xoxo,
Animal

sshh · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2001, 11:41:00 PM »

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Hehehe yeah the shuttle realy stinks compaired to your Russian 20 year old reusable reentry ship.

Your 2 years old dated shuttle stinks more. Our ship is brand new and shiny every launch !

Do they use "reusable" napkins in Texas too ?

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leonid · « **Reply #25 on:** April 13, 2001, 01:43:00 AM »

How long was Mir up in space? And what was the name of the NASA station that ended up in the drink prematurely from a degraded orbit? I can't even remember when it happened , like the 70's or 80's. Oh, and Mir was already up when that defunct NASA station was first deployed in space.

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funked · « **Reply #26 on:** April 13, 2001, 02:27:00 AM »

Skylab went up in 1973, and the program was completed in 1974. The station was completely shut down, and the orbit decayed naturally, resulting in re-entry in 1979.

Mir didn't go up until 1986.

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leonid · « **Reply #27 on:** April 13, 2001, 02:40:00 AM »

Oh, you're right, funked. However, Skylab did re-enter prematurely by 1-2 years, according to NASA reports.

Thud · « **Reply #28 on:** April 13, 2001, 05:54:00 AM »

Hmmm, why didn't I even have to look who would post the first reply to this thread?

Boroda · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2001, 09:14:00 AM »

I aplaude to Udie! He gets the first prize!

I think that such a bright guy must not suffer from unemloyment, I hope he can find a job at least as a dishwasher.

And everyone knows that Americans hang Negros and keep Indians in reservations.

Should I continue telling you cold war myths?

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