Personal Responsibility

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Blaming her withdrawal on the request for additional papers is hardly taking responsibility. Maybe it would be more honest to just come out and say it was a mistake? Maybe he should admit that he didn't have the votes to confirm her? Maybe you forget that the Dems were the majority party when Thomas was nominated.

Brownie has been reupped for another 30.. You like paying the salary of a proven liar and incompetant? (bet you can't answer that without a Clinton reference)

Regarding my past... you are on thin ice. I am the product of a WW2 Army Air Corps vet who became the CEO of a company with 1/2 billion a year in sales... without a college degree. And a woman who graduated summa cum laude from the University of Illinois in 1945. You know, back when women didn't do those things. Which one exactly would you call the peace love dope generation?

You continue to soldier on without the facts .... thats an admirable quality Rip..

Your generation...thats why we're in this mess....YOUR generation, not mine.  Problem is...you got old before you died.

People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to d-dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to d-dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we g-g-get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we g-g-get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Yeah, I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Yeah, I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Now grow up. We know why you started the thread.

TROLL!

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by midnight Target

NOpe! He's blaming the Democratic minority in congress for asking for too many papers. Heheeeee. Dude! This is rich!
 

Gimme a break.  Its obvious the democrats would to their very best to block any nomination the prez puts up no matter who he puts up. Any way they can.
Even if he nominated The most qualified liberal democrat on the planet whos qualifications and intergrety were beyond any possible refute.
The democrats would try to block him anyway if for no other reason then he nominated that person.

Heh, speaking of Democrats and Republicans I heard a comedian the other night discribe our two parties perfectly.

The Republicans are full of bad ideas
And the Democrats have no ideas.

and there is nothing worse then when the two decide to work together

A republican will get up and say "I Have a really bad idea"
and a Democrat will get up and say "Wait. I can make it worse"

Pretty dern accurate I think

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
If 50% of the people vote for "None of the above", then the parties must go back and pick someone else to run, and we keep doing that until we get a winner.

Otherwise, we are just changing the name of the people in power, and nothing else.  One day the parties might get the hint, we are not going to take it anymore.

How else can, "we the people" send that message?

"I want you all to go to your window right now open it up and stick your head out and yell.
IM AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Hangtime
i still think the key to national politics is local politics. It's doubutful we can get a grip on the national monkey without first getting control of the local bananas.

you know whats funny.
I know of several instances where people run for election for local offices with no opponent running against them.
To take it a step farther I've even seen therse people running (against zero oposition) going through the motions of bothering to put up  "Vote for" signs all over the place as IF they had someone running against them.
Some of these people have been in office for years and years and nobody bothers to run against them

and this isnt for just one town either.

[AdmRose]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Gimme a break.  Its obvious the democrats would to their very best to block any nomination the prez puts up no matter who he puts up. Any way they can.
Even if he nominated The most qualified liberal democrat on the planet whos qualifications and intergrety were beyond any possible refute.
The democrats would try to block him anyway if for no other reason then he nominated that person.

Heh, speaking of Democrats and Republicans I heard a comedian the other night discribe our two parties perfectly.

The Republicans are full of bad ideas
And the Democrats have no ideas.

and there is nothing worse then when the two decide to work together

A republican will get up and say "I Have a really bad idea"
and a Democrat will get up and say "Wait. I can make it worse"

Pretty dern accurate I think

God bless Lewis Black - if he runs, I'll vote for him

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by AdmRose
God bless Lewis Black - if he runs, I'll vote for him

funny funny man.

And how often we feel the way he speaks. Not just in what he says. But in the way he says it

[Yeager]

First and foremost, There is God.

Then to the right hand side of God, there is Jesus.

On Gods left hand side is my leader and personel savior, and I must say, leader of the free world, George W. Bush.

Long live the great GWBush!

Oh sure, we are all human and we all make mistakes, but George forgives me.

[Shuckins]

Come on Rip...cut Midnight some slack.  He can't help himself...he hasn't been the same since Jerry Brown retired from the California Governor's post.


Besides, you need to concentrate on what's really important.........








..........................it's DEER SEASON!!

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by Russian
Point one, if it will actually happen, and we have to have ‘re-election’ then who is going to cover the cost?

Make the parties responsible.  Hit them where it will hurt (the wallet) and it will give them incentive to make sure they are putting their best foot forward.  I would also be willing help cover election costs *if* I knew for certain we had some control over the people we have to chose from.
How many people either said or thought, "This is the best we have to offer for President?" in the last election?  I, for one, believe we can do better, but *we* were not given a choice.

Originally posted by Russian
Point two. In order for that 50% to work, general population must be educated in the politics and actually sincerely care about its issues. Since both parties put forward blend of nothingness and neither party makes changes which affect people as a whole, no population will magically ‘care’ about something which does not affect its lives.

No changes required to the level of education, as the population currently votes as it is.  Just add the option to the ballot and give us a real chance to make a good decision, rather than voting for the least of the evils.

You were quick to point out failings of the idea.  Are you happy wih the status quo?  Or do you have another idea worth perusing?

Originally posted by midnight Target
Really? Care to share with me... since I started it.

I'll keep my opinion to myself in this instance as airing it in a public forum would not accomplish anything.

Originally posted by rpm
You have just that opportunity coming up in Texas, Skuzzy. Don't vote in the gubenatorial primary elections. Then, sign the petetion to get Kinky Friedman on the ballot and vote for him in the general election.

Not the same thing.  Doing it after the fact, destroys any chance for continuity and is more disruptive.  Take a look at any state who has booted a governor from office to realize it does not work and is far more detrimental to the state than to not have put a putz into office in the first place.

[Hangtime]

I think I get it... do the 'none of the above' on the Primary too... hell on every ballot for every office from dogcatcher on up.

I like it.

How do we do it?

[Skuzzy]

And that is the larger issue Hang.  We are not in control of it.  I would really like to hear how we could do it.

[lazs2]

I don't like Bush.

I voted for him only because there was a chance the other commie socialist  buffoon would get in and make my life worse with more restrictions and commie big government.

Given the choice.... I would do it again the same way.

I was heartened by the fact that Bush did do as he said he would and kept his word on the gun issues.   He made things better... the other  guys woulda made em much worse.

It has been a very long time since I have voted for a candidate rather than against his opponent.  

I believe that it is impossible for a politician to get into a large state of national election and have a chance of winning if he is not scum of the earth.

My only choice in voting is to pick the guy who appears to be able to do me the least damage.

This election was very important in that respect as it decieded some real important issues in the American system of power over us... the apointment of judges... the 2 supremes especially.   I hope he has the guts to get a real live constitutionalist on now.

lazs

[BluKitty]

why couldn't a person run as a 'none of the above' platform ...

You know like Pryor ... in Brewsters Millions

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that it is impossible for a politician to get into a large state of national election and have a chance of winning if he is not scum of the earth.

See that little gem lazs?  As long as we chose to believe and accept it, that is exactly what we will be stuck with.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Make the parties responsible.  Hit them where it will hurt (the wallet) and it will give them incentive to make sure they are putting their best foot forward.  I would also be willing help cover election costs *if* I knew for certain we had some control over the people we have to chose from.
How many people either said or thought, "This is the best we have to offer for President?" in the last election?  I, for one, believe we can do better, but *we* were not given a choice.

No changes required to the level of education, as the population currently votes as it is.  Just add the option to the ballot and give us a real chance to make a good decision, rather than voting for the least of the evils.

You were quick to point out failings of the idea.  Are you happy wih the status quo?  Or do you have another idea worth perusing?

So that will force parties to find another way to get large sums of money…..I see so many wrong things with that….
What I’m saying is that people do not care. They will not care if there’s a N/A choice either. They learn of politicians from 30 seconds commercial which is moronic if you think about it. That 30 seconds usually does not cover a single idea, it just shows pretty and deceitful images. That’s why I ‘shoot down’ your idea, it will not accomplish anything. This issue has deeper roots than just a box on a ballot. Once people actually care about issues, we will not need a blank box… Maybe you are into politics, but general population is rather be stuck in front of a tube then to gather information about their upcoming vote.