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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2005, 07:35:13 AM »
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Yeah!  And we should collectively work to do all we can to end the  massive Vatican campaign to fund churches all over the world and spread the Roman Catholic doctrines of tyranny and intolerance.  Those nosy buggers tried to tell our representitives in government what laws to pass and not pass vis a vis homosexual unions.



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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2005, 08:36:14 AM »
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72 virgins? Sounds like alot of crying with no satisfaction= Hell



It's Virginians... 72 Virginians.  Who'd want them?

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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2005, 09:00:47 AM »
Hello Again Thrawn,

Thank you for your apology.

You listed the following as examples of "small groups of Christian Nutballs who blow people up on a regular basis":

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IRA, the Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda.


Nothing in the original IRA charter identifies them as a Christian organization. In fact, they were so heavily riddled with Marxists, the first IRA split occurred between those who wanted to join the Republic and those who wanted to form a Communist state. A better example would have been one of the Protestant counter groups like the UDA. For the most part however, that particular conflict is ebbing, the IRA even signed a disarmament agreement this year.

The Lord's Resistance Army is not even vaguely Christian, Kony was heavily influenced in his childhood by an animistic mishmash of Shamanism and Vodoo which had a thin veneer of Christian names applied. For instance, he has always practiced polygamy, divination, polytheism, and any number of practices completely opposed to Christianity. At present, as even Infidels.org notes, Kony is incorporating Islam into his black bag of abominable practices:

"Currently, the Lord's Resistance Army launches operations from the Sudan. Over the past few years, lorries full of weapons and ammunition arrive, from Sudan's regular army, at Kony's main encampment. Young teenagers engage in spiritualistic regimens at the training sites, but they are now given military training with automatic rifles and machine guns--certainly a deviation from Alice Lakwena's earlier military strategy. The decision toward heavier armaments seems to point to uncertainty about the imminent coming of the Silent World. Perhaps Joseph Kony's spiritual beliefs are changing, influenced by his Muslim protectors. Maybe the appeal of seventy-two virgins, in Allah's heaven, feeding pomegranates to zealous warriors is a better vision of Paradise for Joseph Kony and his holy warriors. Sudanese support seems to have had a profound impact on the LRA's main persona. He has now even incorporated tenets of the Islamic faith into his religious practices! According to eyewitness reports, LRA soldiers use rosaries to pray, yet also bow towards Mecca as Muslims. While faithful Muslims turn a blind eye, Kony's rebels observe the two Sabbaths they have created, on Friday and Sunday. Restrictions of the Muslim faith are ignored; the traditional Acholi religion is still practiced by the LRA's leader with a heavy dose of divination and magic ritual. (Divination is a dying offense in parts of the Muslim world.) It has been reported that Mr. Kony keeps an ample stock of snakes, turtles, and lizards, for just such mediumistic purposes." (Source: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_petraitis/spirit_war.shtml )

The Sudanese are using the LRA to fight a proxy war in Uganda precisely because Uganda is still mostly Christian and Animist and along with Nigeria and Southern Sudan, forms an impediment to the flow of Islam southwards.

In any event, as I mentioned to Sandman above, while you might find a few regional crazies fighting ethnic wars and claiming to be some variety of (generally non-evangelical) Christian, you have no parallel to the Muslim Brotherhood which networks together hundreds of thousands of Jihadis worldwide. Or the fact that states like Saudi Arabia are spending Billions to promote the theology of Jihad worldwide - can anyone think of a "Christian State" which uses its revenue to promote the violent triumph of Christianity?  Large numbers of young men from churches in Kansas are not flying off to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan to blow up Muslims. On the other hand men from Mosques throughout the Arab world are flying off to blow up infidels throughout the world, and that catch-all term includes not only Christians but Atheists, Buddhists*, and any non-Muslims.

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*For instance, Jihadis are now currently operating in Southern Thailand, were their enemies are Buddhists and the central (Buddhist) government. Their initial aim is to establish (what a surprise) an explicitly Muslim government.
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« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2005, 09:13:11 AM »
Hi Laser,

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Yeah, but the crusade was to retake something important to Christianity.

Maybe seagoon knows the answer, but I don't.




Besides Jerusalem, what other place in the world is important to christianity, but over run with non-christians?


The Crusades spanned a period of two hundred years, and were launched after the Byzantine Emperor issued a plea for assistance to the West following the capture of Jerusalem and the rest of Palestine by the Seljuk Turks in the 11th century. The real reason for their start was the recognition by the Byzantines that their empire was being gobbled up piecemeal by the Turks, while the West realized that if the Byzantines fell, Eastern Europe and then Western Europe would be next (which ultimately proved to be the case. following the fall of Constantinople in the 15th century the Turks spent the remainder of the 15th and the entirety of 16th century invading and colonizing the Balkans, Greece, and getting as far as Vienna in their attempts to capture Western Europe. The majority of the Balkans religious wars are a hangover of forced Islamicization of those areas).

The Pope issued a call to retake Jerusalem from the Seljuks, nominally to make it safe for Christian pilgrims once again. Jerusalem and most of Palestine was eventually captured, and "Latin Kingdoms" established. But their isolation and lack of cooperation with the Greek (Orthodox) Byzantines made them easy prey to the consolidated Saracens who knocked them off seriatim.

Christian theologians have almost universally condemned the Crusades as having no basis in Christian theology, and Protestants in particular condemned the idea that Jerusalem as a place, had any theological significance to the faith or that Christians are supposed to be going on "pilgrimages" to venerate places or things in the first place.

As to other places important to Christianity but over-run by non-Christians, the sarcastic side of me is tempted to answer, "many denominations and congregations." ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2005, 09:29:36 AM »
It's amazing how bad the world is simply because of religon.

No wonder the bible states that in the end all religon will be destroyed. ;)
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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2005, 09:35:23 AM »
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"many denominations and congregations." ;)

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oh that's good  :aok

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2005, 10:09:56 AM »
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I apologise for my troll.  In my haste to feed my ego, I didn't realise I was implying that the US military was comprised of nutballs, for that I also apologise.



"Name even small groups of Christian nutballs that blow people up on a regular basis."


IRA, the Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda.

Seagoon, I was responding to GtoRA2's question.  Are their small groups of Christians in the US military that blow people up on a regular basis?  He didn't specify motivations (honourable or not) nor did he specify the sex, age, validity as combatants or anything else regarding the people being blown up.



How many over the years have those IRA nutballs killed, and then how many how the islamic  nutballs killed over the same time period? (Not that I agree that really fit the christian terrorst bill very well)

I bet the islamic nutballs come in WAY ahead.

Got any links on the uganda thing? I have never heard of them. Are they a terrorist group? Whats their kill tally?From what Seagoon is saying that don't sound very christian.


You knew the context of the question Thrawn.  But since you apologised I will leave it alone.
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2005, 10:13:22 AM »
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henh. I dunno whut the froggie just said, but it sounds ta me like he's askin' us to blow him up. Somebody give him one of thrawns questionaires...



Maybe he was giving us more info on how the French "blew" the Germans durring WW2?


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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2005, 11:32:34 AM »
GtoRA2 and Seagoon, I concede most of your points.  But the goal posts set in the original question sure have moved.  And to be clear, I am no fan of the Saudis.  



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Got any links on the uganda thing? I have never heard of them. Are they a terrorist group? Whats their kill tally?From what Seagoon is saying that don't sound very christian.



No, they don't sound very Christian but they call themselves Christians.  Many Muslims say that Islamic extremists aren't very Muslim.  Who is the authority to make the determination on whether or not they are "true" practioners of thier religions?  A whole lot of subjectivity suddenly becomes involved.

Even if the original question was phrased, "Contrast the number of Christians and Muslims that use terrorism to further religious (as opposed to political) agendas".  That darn subjectivity of what a "true" Muslim or Christian would still be there.


Anyway, here is where I heard about the LRA.  I love the War Nerd and find many of his articles enlightening, and some not.

http://www.exile.ru/2002-June-26/war_nerd.html

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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2005, 12:14:06 PM »
Ask yourself this.
What does all terrorist have in common? thats right you get a gold star.
They are all MUSLIM'S wake up America:O

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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2005, 12:37:04 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2005, 01:06:36 PM »
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72 virgins? Sounds like alot of crying with no satisfaction= Hell


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Semantics / cultural communication gap.

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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2005, 01:07:44 PM »
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Ask yourself this.
What does all terrorist have in common? thats right you get a gold star.
They are all MUSLIM'S wake up America:O


White supremacists /KKK/ new nazis are Muslims?

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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2005, 01:23:18 PM »
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Actually, it depends on how you define "Christian," if one includes Roman Catholicism in that definition, .


I am very curious as to your wording here. Are you saying there is actual doubt (nukes rantings in the past do not constitute doubt) as to whether or not Catholics are Christians?
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2005, 01:32:02 PM »
That Christ fella was quite tolerant. Not a believer myself, but his ideas can safely be described as brilliant. I wonder what went so wrong in the last 2000 years to make those that 'follow' him, deviate so extremely from the substance and form of his teachings.

This thread can be summarised with the following statements:

1) Terrorism is an Islamic phenomenon

2) All Muslims must share both the blame and the wrath

3) Islam is a disease that must be erradicated

4) Only Muslims are capable of barbarity

5) An action by someone calling themselves a Muslim is supported by the entire religion, no matter who they are

6) Similarly, agreement with a sentiment extolled by one who calls themselves Islamic is measure of the beliefs of an entire religion

6) Personal responsibility does not exist; only collective responsibility is applied

You guys should read what you write. Some are blatant and obtuse in their implications. Others used latent terminology to disguise and obfuscate. It's anti-semitic all the same. It's pretty sad to be perfectly honest.

"Extremists on the right of me, nutcases on left, here I am..."

I'm sure you know the tune.

Oh, and before you start calling me a terrorist sympathiser, know that I have no sympathy with extremism of any kind. I believe Muslims should be pro-active and aggressively fight those who push messages of hate, within their communities and culture.

And while they do that, I'll do the same in mine.
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