Messerschmitt Me 410A-1/U4

[Krusty]

Negative. They were very desperate at the end. One famous 110G4 night fighter had his own second plane for daylight attacks (a G2). I might have got G2/G4 transposed, but one was the night fighter one was not.

There is a rare pic of the 410 off a B17s wing (rare that the shot came out, but by the looks of other images the 410s were mostly a daylight fighter!)

Check out:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/wrg0238.jpg

EDIT: Found a shot of a 410 being shot down in daytime (claimed to be from a P51's gun cam)

http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~nagle/splash.jpeg

[Furball]

i have pilot quotes of the field mod 20mm cannon nose 410 (one pilot had the modification on his plane, the other pilots called it 'the watering can' because you couldnt miss with it) and the 50mm, which was described as 'blowing the viermots up like a balloon with a single hit'.  They found that the prob with the 50mm was pilots were opening fire from too far out, as it was fitted with a telescopic gunsight.

[Wilbus]

The 110's were withdrawn long before the 410's were. The 410's flew almost till the end of the war, they too however, suffered heavily against the single engine escort fighters.

However, we all know twin engined planes in AH rock big time so the 410 may be a monster if it is ever added.

[Nosara]

And people worry about my Stuka...


ju.87G-1
2×37 mm BK3,7 cannon

[Kurt]

My grandfather-in-law was a B17 commander and has a beautiful picture snapped from the cockpit of a 410 with the big cannon (looks like a wasp stinger in the picture, its sick)  passing off his right wing.  In the forground on the B17 wing there is a big freakin hole where that big cannon hit them.  Thankfully it was a single hit and punched through pretty clean, they went home intact.

Anyhow, I've never done the serious research on the 410 but according to him, they were very rare and never a serious factor in the war... In fact that he claims that his photo of that one with the big cannon is the only actual combat photo ever taken of that varient (obvoiously there are lots of non-combat photos like above)... Anyhow, I don't know if a plane that rare belongs in AH.

Would be fun to play with though!

[Karnak]

I count 55 kills of Me410s and 2 damaged claims by Mossies during the war.  The odd thing is that they are reasonably common in the kill list through the night of 7/8, July, 1944 when a Mossie XIII of, ironically, 410 Squadron shot one down near Paris.  After that only one more kill claim against Me410s appears in the list.

It is odd that they drop so thuroughly off the list.

Looking over the list it seems that the poor Ju88s and Ju188s were the major victims of Mossie activities although Bf110s make a very strong showing in the kill list as well.  Me410s are a minor number by comparison.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Krusty
I don't trust your info on the Me309 there.. For all intents and purposes it was a flop. Plus no 109 derivitage could carry that many guns (no place for them!!)

Its not a 109 derivate, its a compltely new design. But a very stupid and nedlesly complicated and heavy one.


However it would have had astoundingly heavy armament of up to SEVEN 20mm and/or 30mm cannon, all centraly mounted in the fuselage or wing roots.

If they just dumped the tricycle landing gear and the wierd retractible radiator and their weight, size and complexity with something more conventional it could have been a great late war fighter, eaily the rival of late war allied planes...

[Mr No Name]

Originally posted by Krusty
I don't trust your info on the Me309 there.. For all intents and purposes it was a flop. Plus no 109 derivitage could carry that many guns (no place for them!!)

Sorry Sir:

[Wmaker]

If we think strictly about the 8th vs. Luftwaffe setting which the ToD is based on according HTC...then Me-410 is pretty much the only major combat aircraft missing (if we dont count variants).

It's one of the planes I would like seeing the most. There are loads of Soviet and Japanese planes to do though but given the HTC emphasis on ToD right now it would, in my opinion, be the best time yet to add it!

I sure would like to be sitting in a Me-410 modelled by Nate/Superfly.

[Scherf]

Originally posted by Karnak
I count 55 kills of Me410s and 2 damaged claims by Mossies during the war.

Heya:

I've got 15 claimed damaged, 71 claimed destroyed and 5 claimed probably destroyed. If you're looking in Sharp & Bowyer, the difference no doubt comes from the Intruder squadrons, which for some reason they don't count in their table. I reckon at least one of those claimed destroyed was mis-identified (German records have same evening, same location, different type from the RAF records.)

You're right though about Mossie claims for 410s dropping off in mid-44. They were primarily encountered over the U.K., and once Steinbock came to an end, that was about it, though there were some shot down during the initial part of the invasion.

[Karnak]

Scherf,

Bowman actually.  It had the easist list to go over.  Yes, I figure there are misidentified aircraft in there, some are bluntly listed as unidentified, but in lew of any other information it will have to do.

What I wonder is why Mossie Intruders didn't encounter them more often?  Were they not used at night?

[Bruv119]

Mossie  "Tse Tse"   had a 57mm  cannon strapped under the cockpit.

I love flying this in FA  25 rounds  25 tank kills   .....  




Bruv
~S~

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Bruv119
Mossie  "Tse Tse"   had a 57mm  cannon strapped under the cockpit.

I love flying this in FA  25 rounds  25 tank kills   .....

Those 25 tanks kills are likely a big reason we'll not see the Tse Tse here.  It would too dramatically alter the gameplay balance and added to that very few Mossie XVIIIs were built.

[Tails]

Originally posted by Karnak
Those 25 tanks kills are likely a big reason we'll not see the Tse Tse here.  It would too dramatically alter the gameplay balance and added to that very few Mossie XVIIIs were built.

Actually, I think the reason quoted why we will never see the Tse Tse Fly, or a 50mm gun option for the Me-410 for that matter, is because they dont want anti-buff snipers.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Tails
Actually, I think the reason quoted why we will never see the Tse Tse Fly, or a 50mm gun option for the Me-410 for that matter, is because they dont want anti-buff snipers.

Both reasons in fact.  Pyro said as much when I talked to him last month.  The Tse Tse was something I was interested in.