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« on: November 04, 2005, 03:19:43 PM »
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Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report

Friday, November 04, 2005

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U.S. Patients Experience Higher Out-Of-Pocket Costs, More Medical Errors Than Patients in Other Nations, Survey Says
      Out-of-pocket health care costs and medical error rates are higher for patients in the U.S. than in five other Western nations, according to a Commonwealth Fund survey published on Thursday in the online version of Health Affairs, the Washington Post reports. For the report, researchers surveyed 6,957 adults between March and June 2005 who recently had been hospitalized, had surgery or reported health problems in the U.S., Australia, Canada, Britain, New Zealand and Germany. The survey, which is the largest to examine health care in several nations during the same time period, found that U.S. residents were more likely to forego medical care than patients in other nations because of costs. In addition, U.S. respondents reported the easiest access to specialists but the most difficulty getting care during nights and weekends (Stein, Washington Post, 11/4). Patients from all six countries reported medical errors, uncoordinated care and poor management of chronic diseases (CQ HealthBeat, 11/3). The study also found the following:


34% of U.S. patients surveyed reported getting the wrong medication or dose, incorrect test results, a mistake in their treatment or late notification of abnormal test results, compared with 30% of Canadians, 27% of Australians, 25% of New Zealanders, 23% of Germans and 22% of Britons;


About half of U.S. residents reported that they had decided not to fill a prescription, see a doctor while sick or have recommended follow-up tests because of costs, compared with 38% of patients in New Zealand, 34% in Australia, 28% in Germany, 26% in Canada and 13% in Britain;


Nearly one-third of U.S. patients reported paying more than $1,000 in out-of-pocket medical expenses in the past year, compared with 14% of Canadian and Australian patients and a much lower proportion of patients in the other countries (Washington Post, 11/4);


15% of U.S. residents said they had no out-of-pocket health care costs in the past year, compared with 65% of British patients;


Most patients in New Zealand and Germany reported ease in acquiring same-day appointments, compared with 30% of U.S. patients;


8% of U.S. residents surveyed reported waiting four months or more for nonemergency surgery, compared with 41% of British patients;


7% of U.S. residents who had been hospitalized in the past two years reported developing an infection while in the hospital, compared with 10% of Britons and 3% of Germans (CQ HealthBeat, 11/3); and


More than half of U.S. patients surveyed received appropriate care for chronic conditions such as hypertension or diabetes.

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Cathy Schoen, one of the study's authors, attributed the U.S. medical error rate to a lack of coordination among health care providers. She said, "Many of those patients were seeing multiple physicians and taking four or more prescriptions" (Higgins, Washington Times, 11/4). She added, "What's striking is that we are clearly a world leader in how much we spend on health care. We should be expecting to be the best. Clearly, we should be doing better" (Washington Post, 11/4). Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality officials said the national effort to create an electronic health record system could help with coordination problems and reduce health care costs (Washington Times, 11/4). AHRQ Director Carolyn Clancy said, "The findings show that we have a lot to learn from our colleagues," adding, "The findings here reinforce how difficult it is coordinating care." Lucian Leape, a professor and patient safety researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health, said, "This provides confirming evidence for what more and more health policy thinkers have been saying, which is, 'The American health care system is quietly imploding, and it's about time we did something about it" (Washington Post, 11/4).

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2005, 03:45:38 PM »
had cataract surgery last summer, my HMO billed me $35 for the office visits (5) and $50 for the surgery.

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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2005, 06:56:28 PM »
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had cataract surgery last summer, my HMO billed me $35 for the office visits (5) and $50 for the surgery.


Ouch! How did you cope? Thats a high expense! We need to socialize our medicine and decline the quality of health care we currently have in the U.S. !

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2005, 07:33:07 PM »
rip, it was not easy, i had to take the money out of my beer budget, that ment i had to fly AH only half drunk most nights.

but now i can read the budwiser label, "this is the famous budwiser beer, etc etc"

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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2005, 07:38:57 PM »
I'd be interested to see the medical practices between nations in the study vrs. malpractice setlments/claims.

I'm not saying our system is perftect (honestly I have to make statments like this because of liberals like Nash jumpin on my ever sentence) I would really like to see how that impacts our medical systems compared to other countries.  IE does it really make a difference or not?
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PS I have free healt care provided by the dept of deffense wich first diagnosed my daughter with Athsma....then a week later said it was actually Bronchitis.....then yet another week of being sick and caughing till she pukes they finally said she had pnemonia and gave her antibiotics.  She's still sick but doing better after almost a month.  Currently I sleep on the couch because my wife and son caugh all night long and I work with explosives and need my sleep.  [/rant]

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2005, 02:17:45 AM »
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I'm not saying our system is perftect (honestly I have to make statments like this because of liberals like Nash jumpin on my ever sentence) I would really like to see how that impacts our medical systems compared to other countries.  IE does it really make a difference or not?


Jebus... That brings a tear to my eye.

And good questions.

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2005, 08:04:09 AM »
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I'd be interested to see the medical practices between nations in the study vrs. malpractice setlments/claims.

I'm not saying our system is perftect (honestly I have to make statments like this because of liberals like Nash jumpin on my ever sentence) I would really like to see how that impacts our medical systems compared to other countries.  IE does it really make a difference or not?
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PS I have free healt care provided by the dept of deffense wich first diagnosed my daughter with Athsma....then a week later said it was actually Bronchitis.....then yet another week of being sick and caughing till she pukes they finally said she had pnemonia and gave her antibiotics.  She's still sick but doing better after almost a month.  Currently I sleep on the couch because my wife and son caugh all night long and I work with explosives and need my sleep.  [/rant]


You're quite correct, no heath care system is perfect.  There are just some that I would not prefer.

Hope your family gets healthy, Gun...

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2005, 08:57:48 AM »
Over 45 000 000 americans without health insurance makes your health care sistem bad, unafordable for poors, nonacceptable in the richest country in the world,
It's sad to see all the discoverys and progress in health care, but are for rich only that can aford it, to live longer

I live in Canada, we have it "free", but we pay more taxes,and the services are worst , my brother been waiting 2 weeks for a kidney scan, non emergency ,
  But i still think the Canadian way is better,

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2005, 09:07:30 AM »
and yet... they come here for operations...

What did it say about dental care?

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2005, 09:44:17 AM »
Most of those other countries have nationalized health care, so you are depending upon bureacrats to report negative things about themselves---My wife had cancer---in the space of 6 weeks from 1st doctor visit re: chest pain to precise diagnosis, sher had a Ptscan, 4 xrays, CT scan, 2 biopsies, and a port installed in her arm for the endless IV's (And we live in a somewhat rural area--not like I had to drive to Johns Hopkins). How fast does that scenario occur in other places? --Following that, 6 months chemo..good as new, save for the fact her right lung is largely useless due to the tumor mashing the diaphragm for some time
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2005, 10:25:41 AM »
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PS I have free healt care provided by the dept of deffense wich first diagnosed my daughter with Athsma....then a week later said it was actually Bronchitis.....then yet another week of being sick and caughing till she pukes they finally said she had pnemonia and gave her antibiotics.  She's still sick but doing better after almost a month.  Currently I sleep on the couch because my wife and son caugh all night long and I work with explosives and need my sleep.  [/rant]


My daughter had something similar last year :

2 chest radiography

Antibiotics

3 days in hospital

cost (for me) Zero

result : cured in 7 days.

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2005, 11:59:00 AM »
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Originally posted by ghi
Over 45 000 000 americans without health insurance makes your health care sistem bad, unafordable for poors, nonacceptable in the richest country in the world,
It's sad to see all the discoverys and progress in health care, but are for rich only that can aford it, to live longer

I live in Canada, we have it "free", but we pay more taxes,and the services are worst , my brother been waiting 2 weeks for a kidney scan, non emergency ,
  But i still think the Canadian way is better,


Not sure if you're aware of this, but the State hospitals never turn away a patient in need.

And, your glorious health care system is a dismal failure, we may have people not covered, but its primarily they're choice, either deciding they're young and don't want to pay the premium, or not working.

~~The head of trauma care at Vancouver's largest hospital announces that they turn away more cases than any other center in North America. He's quoted as saying this would be unheard of in the United States.


~~In Manitoba, the premier--the political equivalent of a governor--concedes that his pledge to end hallway medicine has fallen short. Hallway medicine is the phenomenon where the emergency rooms are so filled with patients that people are forced to lie on stretchers in hallways, often for days. Overcrowding is a periodic problem. In fact, the overcrowding is worse than last year. The community is rocked by the death of a 74-year old man who had waited in the emergency room for three hours and had not been seen.


~~New Brunswick announces that they will send cancer patients south to the United States for radiation therapy. New Brunswick, a small maritime province, is the seventh to publicly announce its plans to send patients south. In the best health care system in the world, the vast majority of provinces now rely on American health care to provide radiation therapy. Provinces do this because the clinically recommended waiting time for treatment is often badly exceeded. Ordinarily, oncologists suggest that there should be a two-week gap between the initial consult by the family doctor and the referral to the oncologist, and then two weeks more from the oncologist to the commencement of radiation therapy. In most Canadian provinces, we exceed that by one to two months, sometimes three.


~~In Alberta earlier this year, a young man dies because of the profound emergency room overcrowding. He is 23. On a winter's night, he develops pain in his flank and goes to the local emergency room. It is so crowded that he grows impatient and goes to another. There, he waits six hours. No one sees him. Exhausted and frustrated, he goes home. The pain continues, so he finally decides to go to the local community hospital. It's too late: His appendix ruptured. He dies from the complications hours later.

Sounds like a great health care system, Ghi, just hope you don't need it...

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2005, 12:00:13 PM »
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cost (for me) 60% of my income for taxes
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2005, 12:04:38 PM »
Oh yah, I pay $87 every 2 weeks for dental and Health...my out-of-pocket for this whole thing was about $4k
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2005, 12:23:03 PM »
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Originally posted by ghi
Over 45 000 000 americans without health insurance makes your health care sistem bad, unafordable for poors, nonacceptable in the richest country in the world,
It's sad to see all the discoverys and progress in health care, but are for rich only that can aford it, to live longer

I live in Canada, we have it "free", but we pay more taxes,and the services are worst , my brother been waiting 2 weeks for a kidney scan, non emergency ,
  But i still think the Canadian way is better,


45 million huh?  For some strange reason that number doesn't quite sound right.  Either way we wouln't be the "richest country in the world" if we provided everyone with health care.  I'd rather those people got jobs that offered them affordable health care and keep the govt out of it all together.