What a Crock!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
paaaleeeez!

You would be OK with an RA holding a Democratic party meeting? Republican? Libertarian? Cretin Druid? Muslim? Jewish? Satanic?

Unfortunate that the conservative movement in this Country thinks special favors need to be given to certain folks just because they are Christian.
Frankly I'm glad that the person put in charge of making sure 18 year olds have a smooth transition into college life are not trying to force some kind of personal agenda on them. It only makes sense...

oh BTW read the establishment clause.

Yes he can do all of those things as long as he's not forcing others to go and he does not mix it with his duties/responsabilities as an RA.  No where in the article does it say he's trying to force anything and I'm sure there's RA's that attend rallies and what not.  


This is basically saying that because he's a christian he cannot perform his dutys and his INDIVIDUAL actions would constitute an endorsment of religion by the state??????  Sorry I don't buy it.  It's like saying a city utlity worker that's on call can't go to church on sunday.  

If the kid were a muslim and were leading prayers and the school tried this crap the diversity/PC nannies would be all up in arms and the students would protest (and by the looks of it they'd probably burn some cars while they were at it)  

SW

The school's policy, which also applies to political and ideological activities, is communicated to new resident assistants during a verbal orientation and is not in writing, Rindo said.

[Octavius]

RA's in the UW system have room and board compensated in addition to the $675.  So it's not a bad idea to stay up and handle a few drunk freshmen for that kinda benefit.  And Eau Claire is a small bellybutton campus, walking across the street to study wouldn't be that difficult.

[BluKitty]

Seems to me like the 'right' wants it both ways...

Can't have stem cell reasearch done in a building funded by feds, even if you were to fund all the experimental costs privately.....(unless you use the mouse polluted strains)

So now, when it comes to useing publicly funded buildings for religous reasons the 'right' has a cow?

All they are saying is they can't use the dorms, where they are in a postion of power, to hold bible studys which they LEAD.......

So which way do you want it 'righties'?  Don't see how you can have it both ways.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yes he can do all of those things as long as he's not forcing others to go and he does not mix it with his duties/responsabilities as an RA.  

His duties and responsibilities as an RA are in force whenever he is in the dorm.

The rule is clear. You'd think a good christian boy would follow the rules.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
His duties and responsibilities as an RA are in force whenever he is in the dorm.

The rule is clear. You'd think a good christian boy would follow the rules.

uhhhh what rule?  The article states that there is no WRITTEN policy concerning this.


 Are you saying that because he's a christian he cannot do his duties as an RA?

You'd think a state run school wouldn't infringe on civil rights.

The school's policy, which also applies to political and ideological activities, is communicated to new resident assistants during a verbal orientation and is not in writing, Rindo said.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by BluKitty
Seems to me like the 'right' wants it both ways...

Can't have stem cell reasearch done in a building funded by feds, even if you were to fund all the experimental costs privately.....(unless you use the mouse polluted strains)

So now, when it comes to useing publicly funded buildings for religous reasons the 'right' has a cow?

All they are saying is they can't use the dorms, where they are in a postion of power, to hold bible studys which they LEAD.......

So which way do you want it 'righties'?  Don't see how you can have it both ways.

no one has the Constitutionally protected right to stem cell research.  I do however, have the right to practice my religion.  This isn't just a state building it's the kids dorm room.  I suppose he's not allowed to say his prayers at night or read the bible in there either?  Yes the left are clearly champions of peoples rightsunless you are a christian

[midnight Target]

So it's not a rule cause it's not in writing?

You've posted twice now the the rule is communicated to new RA's. So what is the problem?

The RA has a right to practice his religion. He does not have the right to do it as an agent of the State. Simple really.

[BluKitty]

ya .. the horriblly opressed christan....

they never said anything about the RA doing bible studies ... or even leading a bible group

They don't find it appropriate for them to be the LEADER of a religous orginization while under the active employ of the state.  

What if the principal of a public high school wanted to hold a Koran study group that THEY lead-In the school?  Would that be ok with you?

What if the pricipal wanted to hold a Wiccan study group THEY led?  Would that be ok?

It's a point about religion and govement being seperated.  They are state employies at work,  LEADING a bible group while your in a postion of state power isn't seperation.  They could hold & lead thier bible study at a local church, no?   This issue is about the public building they use, and the status given to RA's.  

Would you have a problem with a RA leading Koran studies?  Would that allienate them from you?  Is the dorm the proper place to lead this type of thing when you are state employee?  Why is it so out of line that the RA is asked to LEAD the study groups elsewhere?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
So it's not a rule cause it's not in writing?

You've posted twice now the the rule is communicated to new RA's. So what is the problem?

The RA has a right to practice his religion. He does not have the right to do it as an agent of the State. Simple really.

But you are saying he is ALLWAYS an agent of the state there for it is an infringment on his rights.  If the rule isn't written in the schools policies it isn't a rule.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by BluKitty
ya .. the horriblly opressed christan....

they never said anything about the RA doing bible studies ... or even leading a bible group

They don't find it appropriate for them to be the LEADER of a religous orginization while under the active employ of the state.  

What if the principal of a public high school wanted to hold a Koran study group that THEY lead-In the school?  Would that be ok with you?

What if the pricipal wanted to hold a Wiccan study group THEY led?  Would that be ok?

It's a point about religion and govement being seperated.  They are state employies at work,  LEADING a bible group while your in a postion of state power isn't seperation.  They could hold & lead thier bible study at a local church, no?   This issue is about the public building they use, and the status given to RA's.  

Would you have a problem with a RA leading Koran studies?  Would that allienate them from you?  Is the dorm the proper place to lead this type of thing when you are state employee?  Why is it so out of line that the RA is asked to LEAD the study groups elsewhere?

Your examples arent the same, if said principle wanted to hold them at his house or residencey that would be ok with me as long as he isn't pushing this on his students.  I wouldnt have a problem with any RA doing any kind of religious study as long has he did it in the privacy of his room and on his own time (but it's established that RAs don't have there own time so there fore his rights are infringed apon)

[midnight Target]

He has every right to take another job.







Where have I heard that kind of argument before?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
He has every right to take another job.







Where have I heard that kind of argument before?

so you are saying you don't care about his civil rights?

[midnight Target]

No State employee has the right to promote a religion at work. You want the RA to have special rights cause he's christian?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
No State employee has the right to promote a religion at work. You want the RA to have special rights cause he's christian?

no because of the fact that it is said he is working "all the time" he cannot practice his religion in his own private mannor.  This is not a state endorsment of religion if the INDIVIDUAL chooses to practice it on his own.  I would be ok with any other relgious person wanting to do the same.

This is like saying a congresmen isn't allowed to pray at all because he works for the govt.  He's ALLWAYS a congresmen and live in tax payer subsided quarters.  What a person does on there own time is their business.  This is also akin to saying somone in the military can't practice their religion in their barracks room, base house, or even off base residence.  It is an infringment of basic rights.  

Based on your postings I would suppose you would agree that this person could not write editorials for the newspaper or publish a book either?

[Mighty1]

I don't see how his religious freedoms are being violated in any way.

Just like any job you cannot practice your faith at work with people you have authority over.