Author Topic: What a Crock! (Read 1484 times)

Delirium · « **Reply #30 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:23:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
Just like any job you cannot practice your faith at work with people you have authority over.

So, if the President was to say, "God Bless America." to his cabinet, he could be impeached?

Yeager · « **Reply #31 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:28:39 PM »

What if the President were to say ALLAH ACKBAR to his cabinet!!!!!

Would carl rove start wearing a turbine?

BluKitty · « **Reply #32 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:29:15 PM »

the point is because it is IN a goverment building where this RA works ....

Just like a Prinicipal of some High School wouldn't be allowed to have Koran study hour in the PUBLIC SCHOOL...

Sure if they want to go lead a Koran or bible group at the local Mosque or Church.... have fun ... the point is about the employee status and the state funded building. Do you not understand that?

Delirium · « **Reply #33 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:32:50 PM »

So again, the President could not say, "God Bless America." to his cabinet (because he has authority over them) and he cannot say it in the White House because that is a government funded building, even though it is his home?

There are no right or wrong answers... guarantee this will go to the Supreme Court.

midnight Target · « **Reply #34 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:34:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium

There are no right or wrong answers... guarantee this will go to the Supreme Court.

you are delirious.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #35 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:36:39 PM »

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Originally posted by BluKitty
the point is because it is IN a goverment building where this RA works ....

Just like a Prinicipal of some High School wouldn't be allowed to have Koran study hour in the PUBLIC SCHOOL...

Sure if they want to go lead a Koran or bible group at the local Mosque or Church.... have fun ... the point is about the employee status and the state funded building. Do you not understand that?

no it takes place in a dormatory. Having a principle do it in school and an RA do it in his dormatory room are two completly different things. One is a public buidling used to teach students and the other is a public building used to house students. This is not a govt endorsment of religion but a personal practice there of.

This isn't the same thing as saying a person can't do it at work because he is allways on call and he lives were he works. If he get's to use his room for other personal things why not personal religion wich is a civil right no less.

All this boils down to is the school wanting to protect their bucget from ACLU lawyers and cracking down on personal freedom. I don't see how anyone could say this is an endorsment of religion. This is his personal room with his personal belongings and everyone that's there is doing so under their own free will and they are doing something that is constitutionally protected.

There's alot of things you can't do while you are on the clock but being on the clock and being on call are two entirely different things. If it effected his duties as an RA than sure I can see that but no were does it state that any inpopriaties have taken place.

midnight Target · « **Reply #36 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:45:49 PM »

He was holding a group meeting IN THE BASEMENT with the same kids he is supposed to be assisting. He is in a govt. building on govt. time promoting a particular religion.

If this isn't clear than I have 2 words....

hello wall.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #37 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:54:49 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
He was holding a group meeting IN THE BASEMENT with the same kids he is supposed to be assisting. He is in a govt. building on govt. time promoting a particular religion.

If this isn't clear than I have 2 words....

hello wall.

that's a crock considering he's ALLWAYS ON CALL but not ALLWAYS WORKING. I'm sure he forced all them other kids there to worship....HOW EVIL OF HIM huh.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #38 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:06:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
that's a crock considering he's ALLWAYS ON CALL

Not when he's off campus.
-SW

Gunslinger · « **Reply #39 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:14:18 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Not when he's off campus.
-SW

some would call that an "undue burdon" considering he lives there.

JBA · « **Reply #40 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:24:23 PM »

something to think about,

The founder of the American Civil Liberties Union was a card-carrying communist whose goal was to undermine the Judeo-Christian foundations of America.

As indicated by the writings of its founder, Roger Baldwin: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal.”

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“The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property” Karl Marx.
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seems to me these two men had a lot in common.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:27:53 PM »

not that I want to jump into far out stuff, and the article does say the ACLU is thinking of taking up the case wich would be a credit to them. THe ACLU (and the FAR left for that matter) have done alot to pursue the communist agenda in the US:

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Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

BluKitty · « **Reply #42 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:32:34 PM »

lives and works there.... they aren't saying the RA can't LEAD.....

(please note the keyword LEAD you so readily ignore in your arguements)

...............they aren't saying the RA can't LEAD a bible study on campus.... just not in the building where they work and live. The RA's can practise religion all they want, where they want, it's takeing a religious LEADERSHIP role in a govemental building, where they are govermental employee with a leadership postion.

Why can't this person go have bible study in the campus greens or something? .....just give up the leadership postion in the building where they are employed?

You can ignore the arguement and focus on unrelated details if you wish.... doesn't change what this is about....

Gunslinger · « **Reply #43 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:34:10 PM »

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Originally posted by BluKitty
lives and works there.... they aren't saying the RA can't LEAD.....

(please note the keyword LEAD you so readily ignore in your arguements)

...............they aren't saying the RA can't LEAD a bible study on campus.... just not in the building where they work and live. The RA's can practise religion all they want, where they want, it's takeing a religious LEADERSHIP role in a govemental building, where they are govermental employee with a leadership postion.

Why can't this person go have bible study in the campus greens or something? .....just give up the leadership postion in the building where they are employed?

You can ignore the arguement and focus on unrelated details if you wish.... doesn't change what this is about....

again, "undue burdon"

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #44 on:** November 07, 2005, 02:44:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
some would call that an "undue burdon" considering he lives there.

Not exactly. He's working there so he can live there.

Were he to no longer be employed by the university, he would no longer be subject to their policies. The burden is his, he can choose to hold his group thing off campus where he is not subject to the school's policy regarding R.A.s, or he can quit and again, not be subject to the school's policy. It's his choice.

His freedom of religion is not being touched, it's his ability to hold a group discussion on religion while assuming the position as a school representative that is being stopped.
-SW