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Offline Hangtime

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« on: August 03, 2000, 06:50:00 PM »
 
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"I look back, and I can see that he's shuddering, on the verge of a stall. He hasn't been able to get his nose up enough, hasn't been able to bring that big gun to bear. Almost, but not quite. I'm a fallen-down-dead man almost, but not quite. His nose begins dropping just as my airplane, too, begins shuddering. He stalls a second or two before I stall, drops away before I do."

"Good old Mustang."  

Bud Anderson “To fly and Fight”

My uncle flew ponys. He spoke of his Mustang with a trace of awe in his voice.. he truly believed it was something beyond pieces of metal and wire and rivets. The respect he showed the builders was almost reverence.. and he had the utmost faith in what he flew. He told me once.. boozed and teary eyed: "..there will never be anything else that touched me (hand to heart) like that plane could. Not yer Aunt; not yer Grandma.. nothin. I'm here now because of that bird.. god bless it and them that built it."

He was quite a guy; but from all accounts a lousy shot... the only thing he ever shot down was a tree. Seems he and his wingy while coming back low from a fighter sweep spotted a "kite".. a little obs plane like a storch. He took a crack at it; hosed the thing on a fast low pass and was completely convinced he'd got his first kill. Gun camera footage reviewed later (in the squad room) showed the kite dodged; and a tree fallin over. They painted a tree on his plane that night and ribbed him no end... hoots of "Timmmmmmmmberrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" would go up when he walked into a room.

There was a pic of that stang; a D model; on the wall in the big room at his cabin up at BigBear. I still remember the rueful expression on his face when he told me that story. (I HAD to ask about the tree painted on the nose.)  "The sum total of my contribution to the war effort.. two trains; 5 trucks and a diddlyin tree."

It seems that by the time they sent him into combat; not much of anything the LW had was flying anymore.  He flew 7 combat missions before the end of the war; and managed to collect 34 holes in his plane from ground fire. "One thru the wing large enuff to stick your head in; and she still finished the sortie".

Now I'm sitting here wondering what he'd think of this AH stuff.. (he was gone to greener pastures well before the computer age) and what he'd think of guys like Hristo and their attitudes. What would he think of the kids we see so much of these days with their glib fast answers to questions that bring back painful pasts.  I don't know.. honestly; I don't know.

We spoke of the war only a few times.. mostly after I came home from mine as a young man. He was very taciturn about it... he had a training assignment stateside while most of his pals from flight school went off to fight. Some in bombers; some to fighters. None of his bomber friends came home. "Not a one; son. Every one is in the ground over there... not one came home."

He did very much love that Mustang though... that kind of faith in "made in the USA" is very much out of style nowadays.. Back then it meant "best in the world". Sad.. time marches on. Made in USA means something else now.

Still; I like to think he'd like the sim.. and the concept. And I know he'd be in a Mustang. I’da purly loved for him to have been present to see this sim and it’s community evolve. His mindset in this age would have been quite refreshing, I think.

Salute Unca Stu. I'll kill a tree for yah.

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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2000, 07:05:00 PM »
S! to your uncle Stu.  A citizen soldier.

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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2000, 08:40:00 PM »
I thought you flew the P-51 because you're an unskilled American opportunist.

<G, D, R>

See?!? You're influencing me! I could NOT resist this opportunity!

I will go back for some real quality brainwashing. Thank Random Fluctuations In Space Time for reeducation!

Thanks for sharing the story, interesting reading. I think he'd like Hristo; between the two of you, you have enough arrogance to create a new state  . I guess withthis medium, the tongue-in-cheek aspect is sort of lost. If you were to take everything I say as serious matter, I bet 90% of you would really hate me.

Uh, you do? Well, who cares about what 90% thinks? It's just the 90% uneducated plebeian peasant masses, after all. The elite adore me, and that, my American adversary, is what it is all about  

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2000, 09:12:00 PM »
LOL Santa.. in another age; I'd probably hate yer guts. As it is I find your insights to be an interesting window into another world. As I expect you do mine.  

Happy landings.  

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Offline Bluefish

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2000, 09:32:00 PM »
Had a chance to fly in a P51 once, thanks to GF's generosity by way of an Xmas present. It was a D model, flown out of Falcon Field in Chandler AZ; it was called Ho-Hun.

The plane was over 50 years old and I swear the pilot was over 70 (he'd never flown one in combat; only worked on them in the Air Guard until he apparently made a pile in real estate and could buy one).

I won't say exactly what we did (never know when the FAA might be watching) but suffice to say that I was never so scared in my life- crammed in the jump seat where the radio and pilot armor used to be, no parachute, in an antique full of fuel and no chance in hell of getting out if anything went wrong, whipping down arroyos and looking up at cacti, and if another plane (or even a large lizard) had been coming the other way there would have been an almighty pile-up.

Anyway, that's why I left WB for AH; it just FEELS right, it feels the same as those wild 20 minutes.  And, just for a few moments, I got a glimpse into what it was like a long time ago, what a bunch of twenty something year olds felt (when they weren't scared three-quarters to death) flying one of the sweetest things that ever had wings and a propeller.

I don't always fly the 'stang, but because of that 20 minutes I always feel like I OUGHT to.

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2000, 12:54:00 AM »
I fly the P-51 because Rude The Merciless makes me!

No, actually I've been in love with that shape since I first built models. Hard to decide between it and the Spitfire.

I've sat in both but never flown either. If I ever get the chance, it will have to be the Mustang. The Spitfire is just too cramped for me.

I hoist a glass to your Uncle, Hang!
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2000, 02:42:00 AM »
""I look back, and I can see that he's shuddering, on the verge of a stall. He hasn't been able to get his nose up enough, hasn't been able to bring that big gun to bear. Almost, but not quite. I'm a fallen-down-dead man almost, but not quite. His nose begins dropping just as my airplane, too, begins shuddering. He stalls a second or two before I stall, drops away before I do.""

This above is an exact description of how i fly my pony each and every sortie  

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2000, 05:18:00 AM »
Very emotional reading Hang.

A big Salute to your uncle in his P-51 up in the sky.

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2000, 08:45:00 AM »
<S!> Hang

Awww, we wouldn't hate each other. Not that much  

Aye, am very much enjoying your perspective. Always good to have some refreshing new thoughts to help get a better picture of What Things Really Are Like(tm).

This community is great; seriusness and jokes can be mixed and most are thick skinned and can give as well as take. I sort of miss that in real life.

<S!> to Hangtime and the rest of you  



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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2000, 04:19:00 PM »
Thanks for the story Hang.......I think your squad logo should be changed to a tree