Hi Straffo,
Originally posted by straffo
Completly cretin and distorted at best it's incompetence at worst it's pure propaganda.
I apologize in advance for the language barrier, French is obviously not a language I am fluent in, and I appreciate your willingness to use English.
Straffo, its obvious you don't agree with Taheri's assessment, and have simply folded him into the "Right Winger" category for easy dissmissal. You seem to prefer to frame the whole situation in terms of socialist political theory and conclude that what needs to happen in order to create paradise is for more economic and social concessions and hand-outs to be given to the Muslim immigrants. In other words, what France really needs is
more of the same approach that has so catastrophically failed over the last 4 decades. You also seem to believe that if Muslim immigrants do riot, then it must be the fault of the society, and if we only instituted more entitlements, privilleges, and wealth redistribution, then no one would shout "Allahu Akbar" and stone police cars or burn synagogues. Apparently also, calling off the police, allowing the immigrants to govern themselves and apply Sharia in various areas, keep the hijab and the headscarf, will aid in their assimilation into a French society they clearly do not wish to be culturally assimilated into.
You may be surprised by this, but I can understand and sympathize to a certain extent with the immgrants desire
not to be assimilated. As a culture in your midst and yet looking from the outside in on French society, their general assessment (reflected in the sermons of the vast majority of Imams in France) is that French society is decadent and dying. They see pornography, promiscuity, adultery, feminism, abortion, divorce, homosexuality, drug abuse, and the way these things have been normed, and they are repulsed. They see the catastophic decline of marriage and family throughout Europe and they conclude that if they were to adopt the French culture, this would be their inheritance. Their assessment is accurate, but their solution is worse than the cultural decay afflicting French (and European) society - namely Islam and the specifically the implementation of Sharia.
Now, you are free to continue to treat this is an economic problem and continue to offer them concession after concession and continue to blame yourselves, and capitalism, and of course the hated Americans, but the short term result of that plan will be to simply to bring about what Taheri, and Yeor, and Spencer are warning you of, and what the Imams are promising - namely to establish areas in France which are effectively part of the Dar-El-Islam. No "assimilation" will resort from this approach. The long term effect on the other hand will be that their culture eventually overwhelms and replaces yours. There are many reasons for this, the simplest of them being that they naturally do something native Frenchmen have to be paid to do these days - build families and have kids. Additionally, they actually believe in something so strongly they are willing to kill and die for it, a feeling which is mostly just a dim memory for most Europeans. In many ways, what is going on in Europe is an eerie parallel to to the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. We have a different set of barbarians at the gate, but the scenario is just the same.
The above will be an unpopular assessment, then again Churchill's assessment of what was going on in Germany in the late 20's and '30s was equally unpopular in all the same places. There we were told an underprivilleged people were simply reacting against economic hardships imposed upon them by the heartless West and that it was our duty to make concessions to them.
You are also free to conclude I'm just another ugly American right-winger without the sophistication necessary to understand Europe, but then again I was born into an English family, and gained my University training there, and have at least travelled throughout Europe including France. I'll also freely acknowledge that US culture is decadent as well, and I have grave fears that the US will not be able to stand up to Islam in the long run either, but at least the US isn't quite as far along in the slide into cultural decay as their ancestors across the Atlantic.
Incidentally, I'll let people draw their own conclusions regarding Benador, whose website is located
here. They were founded by Elena Benador, and include commentators from a number of different cultures, with their specialty being the Islamic world. You may not like their take on things, but like their founder, they tend not to be idiots. Here is part of the founder's CV:
"Eleana Benador, who is Swiss-American, was born in Lima, Peru. After living most of her life in Europe, Paris, Vienna and Geneva, she moved to the United States. A linguist by nature, Ms Benador studied interpreting and translating at the Sorbonne and the Universite Catholique de Lille. She also studied psychology at the Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos in Lima, Peru, as well as political science in Vienna, Austria, and in Geneva, Switzerland. She is fluent in French, English, German and Spanish, understands and speaks Portuguese, Italian and Dutch, and reads Hebrew and some Russian."- SEAGOON
