Its your little LW fantasy that they fought every single engagement in WW2 outnumbered, even in the BoB, and when somebody points out an actual source that doesnt agree with that you come apart.
A sure sign of intellectual bankruptcy is personal attacks.
Don't bother justifying your swiftness to insinuate that anyone who studies Luftwaffe history must be biased.
Please point out where someone claims they fought every single engagement outnumbered??
In 1944 the fought the
majority of engagements outnumbered and some of them heavily outnumbered.
Again, read up on Air Power Doctrine.
It's not my assertion; it is the doctrine of most of the worlds Air Forces. The Force that achieves the "big gang bang" first wins.
All I called into question was your claim of the a few RCAF Spitfire units inflicting the entire days casualties for the Luftwaffe. On June 6, 1944 the Allies opened the second front in Europe by landing in Normandy. The long-awaited operation "Overlord" saw 36 divisions land on the beaches of Normandy. They were supported by almost 11,000 combat aircraft! The first day alone saw the Allied air forces fly 14,674 combat sorties, the German reaction being only 319
http://members.aol.com/falkeeins/Sturmgruppen/June6.html The Luftwaffe’s immediate response to the landings was “barely perceptible.”34 Indeed, the German air effort during the first 24 hours added up to only 319 sorties, thus dashing the initial hope of defeating the invasion during the first crucial hours.35 Even so, the movement of Reich defense-fighter units had some success, with 200 aircraft arriving during the first 36 hours. By D-day plus seven, over 1,000 German aircraft directly opposed the landing.36 As well as fending for themselves, they had to provide escort for the lumbering trimotor transports that hauled ground personnel and spare parts.37 Real troubles for these aircraft began after their arrival since Allied air attacks had already damaged many of their airfields. The German fighter force was drawn into a losing battle to retain its operational ready-rates in the face of intense enemy air activity.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj03/win03/muller.htmlIf you are hinting at the BoB well.
Please take just a second or two Angus to actually read the thread before you post some nonsense. You obviously have no clue what the discussion is even about.
The BoB is another thread. I am still waiting on the PRO to send me those documents the USAF Logistical Journal referenced about the BoB and I will hold my comments until they arrive.
That thread has reached an impasse until then.
Firstly, Guppy has always been very careful and solid in his postings.
Sure and it easy for the causal reader or one who does not absorb what is infront of him, to take anecdotal evidence as proof in all situations. Great example is your last post. You wrote of bunch of disassociated babble that has nothing to do with the conversation except to attack. Please point out where I mention the BoB?
I simply pointed out that not only did the FW-190 pilots have the same level of confidence in their aircraft but examining the numbers is also in the Focke Wulf's favor in this case. Why? It is scientifically tied to the designs of the two aircraft. I also thought it might be interesting to try and figure out exactly which LW unit the Spitfire Mk XII’s encountered. Obviously the
“Spitfans”, and I exclude Guppy from this; have no interest in that line of thinking.
When I first posted, I had just returned from the TA where a couple of young English players had been telling me all about the Spitfire performance being so superior it was able to take on hordes of 109's and win.
They read it on the BBS in one of the Spitfire threads so it must be true.
If we act like jerks to anyone who disagrees or is not a fanclub member, pretty soon nobody will disagree! Then we will be right.....RIGHT??
All the best,
Crumpp
