More Armored Vehicles

[Hornet33]

Well for the American set it would be nice to have the M-26 Pershing. Late war tank that saw some service in the ETO. Had a 90mm gun and could take out a Tiger. It would probably need to be perked.

[Glasses]

One needs to think of something else while figuring out the tactics on the German tnak destroyers, is that the optics the tank gunners used were more advanced of their allied counterparts, it allowed them to spot the enemy it further distances than what their adversaries could.

[Eden]

Originally posted by Jester
Which would be a better candidate for a new BRITISH tank to add to the AH vehicle line-up?

CROMWELL MK. IV CRUSIER


or the

CHURCHILL MK. VII

Did you build these?
If so, nice job


Hmm  prefer the churchill (due to armor thickness and "interesting" variations)

[Jester]

Originally posted by Eden
Did you build these?
If so, nice job

Nah, got them off the Tamiya USA website. Mine don't look that good for some reason.  

I "Googled" to try to find some good combat pics of the real tanks but couldn't find any I liked so I went with the model shots.

[humble]

Originally posted by Bonzzz
What about the Jumbo Sherman with the thicker frontal armor and the 90mm gun?

There is no such animal....no "jumbo" shermans were equipped with the 90mm gun (unless a prototype)....from anothet bbs
All original M4A3E2 were built with 75mm M3 for infantry support,this means 254 vehicles. But upgrading former M4A3/76Ws with still the suspension of the second generation (not hVSS) was common as well,these wehicles were armed with 76mm guns.From Military History online...About the original Jumbo's I can't help...sorry.

"An important variant of the M4 was the M4A3E2 Jumbo assault tank. This modified vehicle was heavily armored (although all initial production models were equipped with the 75mm). Few (254) were factory built, however Ordnance workshops of the US First and Third Armies successfully modified many M4s in the field to Jumbos (between January and March 1945 the Third Army alone produced 108 of these "ersatz Jumbos," it appears that about 100 additional were produced in 1944). Allocation of the Jumbo varied. Usually they were found in the armored divisions, although some First Army separate tank battalions also had them. Normally there was no more than one "Jumbo" per company, although some divisions organized them as a complete company within the battalion."


Basically every source I know gives about the same production of ~250 total jumbos + about another 100 "field modified" that more or less were brought up to that level.

Standard M4A3E2

[humble]

US variations of the M-4

M4- Continental radial engine; welded hull; 75-mm and 105-mm versions only. Users: US, Britain, Poland. Some very late M4s had composite cast/welded hulls.
M4(105) - Upgraded with 105mm M4 howitzer.
M4(105) HVSS - M4(105) w/ HVSS.
M4A1 - Continental radial engine; one-piece cast hull; 75-mm and 76-mm versions built. Users: US, Britain, South Africa, France (small numbers)
M4A1E4/M4A1(76)W - Upgraded with 76mm M1 gun.
M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
M4A2 - Diesel-powered; welded hull; 75-mm and 76-mm guns. Users: USSR (M4C), USMC, France, Britain, Poland. No US Army combat use.
M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3 - Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; 75-mm, 76-mm, and 105-mm guns. Users: US, France (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
M4A3(75)W - M4A3 w/ 75mm M3 gun.
M4A3(105) - M4A3 w/ 105mm M4 howitzer.
M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo" - extra armour (including 4" on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76-mm guns. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 w/ 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.
M4A4 - Chrysler A57 engine; welded, lengthened hull; 75-mm gun only as-built. Many re-armed with British 17-pounder guns ("Firefly"). Users: Britain, France, China
M4A5 - No US vehicle was built with this designation; the number was meant to signify Canadian production.
M4A6 - Diesel engine; composite cast/welded hull lengthened similarly to the M4A4; 75-mm gun only. Only a few dozen of this variant were built and none were used in combat.

[Billy Joe Bob]

you forgot the Japanese Ha-Go dont know what type

[Jester]

Humble,

I think he is talking about the M-36 JACKSON Tank Destroyer which was equipted with the 90mm main gun.

The first model M-36 carried the 90mm gun in a new turret on the old M-10 Tank Destroyer hull. (M-10 left with 3"/76mm gun, M-36 with 90mm gun on the right)


The later M-36B1 version had the same turret placed on the standard M-4A3 SHERMAN tank hull. This increased armor protection over the old M-10 hull as well as provided a bow .30 cal machine gun position that was missing on the M-10 hull.


The later M-36B2 went back to the old M-10 type hull but incorporated a type of overhead armor that none of the previous tank destroyers had. (M-18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer in the background).


The 90mm main gun of the M-36 JACKSON could penetrate 6 inches of armor at 1000 yards, and with 2 rounds, penetrate 5 feet of concrete.

Production quanities are as follows:
M36 - 1413
M36B1 - 187
M36B2 - 724

If we ever do get the M-4 SHERMAN, it would be very easy to do the M-36B1 version with the 90mm gun. All that would have to be changed is the turret and the balistics for the gun, the hull is the same as the Sherman.

[Billy Joe Bob]

oooooohhhhhhh me wants

[Jester]

Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
you forgot the Japanese Ha-Go dont know what type

TYPE 95 "HA-GO"


The "Ha-Go" made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries is basicly just a light tank armed with a 37mm gun and a pair of MG's. Though they saw lots of action in the Pacific and China - they mostly came out on the bad end when matched against American armor. Marine M-3 STUART and M-4 SHERMAN tanks made short work of a force of them during the Invasions of Tarawa & Peleliu.

TYPE 97 "CHI-HA"
(57mm gun version)

(47mm gun version)

The TYPE 97 "CHI-HA" with the low velocity 57mm gun or with the improved hi velocity 47mm gun is about the best Japanes tank to have seen combat.

TYPE 3 "CHI-NU"

About the only Japanese tank that would have a chance slugging it out with a Sherman would be the TYPE 3 "CHI-NU." It had a 75mm gun and improved armor but only 66 were produced and all of them were kept on the Japanese Main Land for the expected US invasion. None saw combat.

[MOIL]

And the Wirbelwind to protect them from those pesky IL2's & Hurri's

[Karnak]

Interesting, that Type 3 Chi Nu does not appear to have been riveted.  That is the only WWII Japanese tank that I can recall seeing that was not riveted.

[Jester]

Originally posted by Karnak
Interesting, that Type 3 Chi Nu does not appear to have been riveted.  That is the only WWII Japanese tank that I can recall seeing that was not riveted.

Yea, that is kind of interesting - never noticed it. However it is only the turret of the TYPE 3 CHI-NU that is welded. It has the same rivited hull of the TYPE 97 CHI-HA. You can just barely see it in the pic.

Would be interesting to see how CHI-NU would have fared against USMC Sherman's if they had seen combat. Don't think the Japanese tank had the armor to slug it out with a Sherman.