More Armored Vehicles

[Jester]

I would like to see more armored vehicles myself and as stated in another thread - more ground battle areas closer together.

Here is a partial list of some of the main vehicles we need to see, IMO:

AXIS:
German:
Panther ausf D or G
Stug III ausf F
Marder III ausf M
Sdkfz 251 Halftrack - three versions - (player could pick one) APC, single 20mm AA gun version or version with short 37mm anti-tank or 75mm assault gun.

Japanese:
Type 97 CHI-HA (57mm Gun)
(Version built on this chassy also had an open platform 75mm SP Gun)


ALLIED:

T-34/85
SU-85 Assault Gun
76mm Firefly Sherman
M-3 Halftrack with 75mm anti-tank gun

(To offset the German advantage in armor to some degree. All could be perked)


ARTILLERY:
If it ever becomes where we can use mobile artillery effectively, it would also be nice to see the following:

M-8 Priest  75mm
s.FH 18 Hummel  150mm
s.FH Wespe  105mm

Take into account this list is mostly for "Historical" arenas such as the Events, CT & future TOD. Most will not be used by the MA crowd as they are going to use the Tiger or best non-perked tank - currently the Panzer IV.

S!    

[Rino]

Just as an FYI, the Firefly Sherman carried an English 17 pounder and
the Priest carried a 105mm.

[Treize69]

I think he meant the Sherman 'Easy Eight'?

[Jester]

My bad... that is what you get for posting while half asleep.  

Yes, ment the following:

British Sherman Firefly VC with the 17 pdr Gun (How many mm's does that come to? Thought it equaled a long cal. 76mm.)
M-8 PRIEST with the 105mm

Didn't think of the M-3A1E8 Sherman - that is the one with the 105mm assault gun isn't it?

Might also be cool to see a Sherman with a Flamethrower for the Marines.  

[Rino]

Originally posted by Jester
My bad... that is what you get for posting while half asleep.  

Yes, ment the following:

British Sherman Firefly VC with the 17 pdr Gun (How many mm's does that come to? Thought it equaled a long cal. 76mm.)
M-8 PRIEST with the 105mm

Didn't think of the M-3A1E8 Sherman - that is the one with the 105mm assault gun isn't it?

Might also be cool to see a Sherman with a Flamethrower for the Marines.  

     Off the top of my head, I believe the 17 lber is about 77mm.  The Easy
Eight Sherman had improved frontal armor and a 76mm gun.

[Rino]

By the way jester, good list .
Because of the way GV combat is handled in AH now, I think some tank
destroyer units would not be amiss.  I know it's sort of an uber vehicle,
but the Jagdpanther would be a fun perkie to play with.

[Simaril]

Question for the GV historians: How much (if any) "traverse" was available for aiming the turretless german vehicles? I cant imagine that aiming was done with the treads, pivoting the whole vehicle...

[Treize69]

M4A3E8 'Easy Eight' had a long-barreled 76mm gun, heavier armor and upgraded engine.

I still want to see a Pershing in here someday.

And those turretless German PzKpfW (like the Hetzer) were designed more for ambush-style combat than run-and-gun shooting. They could fine tune the aim a few degrees, but it had to pretty much a dead straight-on shot.

[Jester]

Hey Simaril,

First, you have to remember the vehicles like the Jagdpanzer, Marder, Hetzer, Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger, etc. used different tactics than tanks (when possible). Their tactics were "Hit and Run" or fireing from long ranges at unwary targets with their more powerful guns. That is when they did their best. Still dangerous at close range - the advantage started to go over to the tanks the closer the range became.

As you stated the guns on the tank destroyers were not fixed - the did have a limited traverse, elevation and depression. In fact if I am correct - the turrets on the U.S. M-10 JACKSON & M-18 HELLCAT TD's would traverse 360 degrees just like a tank & the Hellcat could do 55 MPH!.

On the German TD's - it varried due to the model but here are some of the major models:

T = Traverse,  E = Elevation,  D = Depression

MARDER III   T: 21 deg L&R  E: +13 deg  D: - 8 deg
JgdPzr 38 HETZER    T: 5 deg L, 11 deg R  E: +12 deg  D: - 6 deg
JGDPZR IV/70   T: 10 deg L&R  E: + 15 deg  D: - 5 deg
SdKfz 164 NASHORN/HORNISSE T: 30 deg L&R  E: +20 deg  D: -5 deg
JAGDPANTHER   T: 13 deg L&R  E: +14 deg  D: - 8 deg
FERDINAND/ELEFANT     T: 28 deg L&R  E: +14 deg  D: - 8 deg
JAGDTIGER   T: 10 deg L&R  E: +15 deg  D: - 7.5 deg

Yea, it would be cool to have the Jagdpanther but I would much rather hunt the tundra for "Ruskies" in a G model Panther!   Even with the smaller gun. The 75mm KwK42 L/70 on the G was still capable of taking down the big Stalin tanks and litterly blew the turrets off the T-34's.

[Bonzzz]

Originally posted by Jester
I would like to see more armored vehicles myself and as stated in another thread - more ground battle areas closer together.

Here is a partial list of some of the main vehicles we need to see, IMO:

AXIS:
German:
Panther ausf D or G
Stug III ausf F
Marder III ausf M
Sdkfz 251 Halftrack - three versions - (player could pick one) APC, single 20mm AA gun version or version with short 37mm anti-tank or 75mm assault gun.

Japanese:
Type 97 CHI-HA (57mm Gun)
(Version built on this chassy also had an open platform 75mm SP Gun)


ALLIED:

T-34/85
SU-85 Assault Gun
76mm Firefly Sherman
M-3 Halftrack with 75mm anti-tank gun

(To offset the German advantage in armor to some degree. All could be perked)


ARTILLERY:
If it ever becomes where we can use mobile artillery effectively, it would also be nice to see the following:

M-8 Priest  75mm
s.FH 18 Hummel  150mm
s.FH Wespe  105mm

Take into account this list is mostly for "Historical" arenas such as the Events, CT & future TOD. Most will not be used by the MA crowd as they are going to use the Tiger or best non-perked tank - currently the Panzer IV.

S!    

What about the Jumbo Sherman with the thicker frontal armor and the 90mm gun?

[Jester]

Then again......

The way to go to get more armored vehicles fast would be to build off the vehicles we already have - such as the PANZER IV, T-34 and M-3 HALFTRACK. useing the same chassy as they did historicaly. We have already done this with the FLAKPANZER & M-16 HALFTRACK we have now. This should make less work for the people that make these vehicles.

Some of the versions we could modify this way:

PANZER IV:
Wurbelwund AA Vehicle (quad 20mm AA)
Jagdpanzer IV/70 (Tank Hunter)
Sturmschutz IV  Assault Gun

T-34:
T-34/85 Tank
SU-85  Assault Gun
SU-100  Assault Gun
SU-122  Assault Gun

M-3 HALFTRACK:
M-15 AA Vehicle (2x .50 cal MG's, 1x 37mm AA)
M-3 Anti-Tank HT (75mm Anti-tank gun)
M-19 Assault Gun (105mm Howitzer)

Just to name a few. If and when we get the M-4 SHERMAN tank - several of the versions listed in the above posts could also be released.

IMO, The Germans already have a good vehicle set with the Heavy TIGER and Medium PANZER IV. What needs filling out first is the Soviet & US/British vehicle sets.

What would be ideal to see would be an "indigenous" vehicle set for each country with 1x Heavy tank (Perked), 1x Medium tank (Free), 1x SP Gun (slightly perked if the guns are larger than the med tank gun), 1x AA vehicle (Free) & 1x APC (Free).

[Ghosth]

Well thought out plan jester.

Hope HT was in a good mood & listened when he read it!

[Eden]

Great list but could use some british stuff (just to add some variety):

Here's some ideas:

Churchill tank:  Both w/ the 6 pdr and the 95mm howitizer
Sexton: Like the M-7 Priest but with a 25 pounder.
Comwell: A bunch of variations possible here.
Bren Carrier (recon)



And some US:
M-24 chafee (great for recon due to high speed - same gun in this as in the B24 - I think) - basis for the M-18 hellcat.
M-3 Stuart (Uses a rotary aircraft engine and is super quick)



And how about some static Anti- Tank positions (88's, 17pdrs, 76mms etc)near the critical areas (like flak but for GV)?

[Jester]

Originally posted by Eden
Great list but could use some british stuff (just to add some variety):

Here's some ideas:

Churchill tank:  Both w/ the 6 pdr and the 95mm howitizer
Sexton: Like the M-7 Priest but with a 25 pounder.
Comwell: A bunch of variations possible here.
Bren Carrier (recon)

And some US:
M-24 chafee (great for recon due to high speed - same gun in this as in the B24 - I think) - basis for the M-18 hellcat.
M-3 Stuart (Uses a rotary aircraft engine and is super quick)

And how about some static Anti- Tank positions (88's, 17pdrs, 76mms etc)near the critical areas (like flak but for GV)?

Don't get me wrong - As I said in the post above:

What would be ideal to see would be an "indigenous" vehicle set for each country with 1x Heavy tank (Perked), 1x Medium tank (Free), 1x SP Gun (slightly perked if the guns are larger than the med tank gun), 1x AA vehicle (Free) & 1x APC (Free).

I would like to see a full set of vehicles for every country - but we have to face fact - we are "Second Class Citizens" as AH is primarily a FLIGHT SIM and most of the work is going to go towards new aircraft. With my suggestion above - I was just suggesting to HTC how we might get new vehicles into the works quicker by useing existing material based on vehicles that we already have online.

Yea Ghosth, one can keep fingers crossed and hope.  

[Jester]

Which would be a better candidate for a new BRITISH tank to add to the AH vehicle line-up?

CROMWELL MK. IV CRUSIER


or the

CHURCHILL MK. VII