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« on: November 10, 2005, 07:44:26 AM »
November 10, 1975 the bulk freighter Edmund Fitzgerald sank in Lake Superior with all hands.


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Fitzgerald cleared Superior, Wisconsin, on her last trip on November 9, 1975, with a cargo of 26,116 tons of taconite pellets consigned to Detroit. Traveling down Lake Superior in company with ARTHUR M. ANDERSON of the United States Steel Corporation's Great Lakes Fleet, she encountered heavy weather and in the early evening of November 10th, suddenly foundered approximately 17 miles from the entrance to Whitefish Bay (47º North Latitude, 85º 7' West Longitude)

Captain McSorley of the "FITZ" had indicated he was having difficulty and was taking on water. She was listing to port and had two of three ballast pumps working. She had lost her radar and damage was noted to ballast tank vent pipes and he was overheard on the radio saying, "don't allow nobody (sic) on deck." McSorley said it was the worst storm he had ever seen. All 29 officers and crew, including a Great Lakes Maritime Academy cadet, went down with the ship, which lies broken in two sections in 530 feet of water.


What a way to go.   Think I'll tip a glass in their memory tonight and listen to Lightfoot's ballad one more time.

I've never seen Superior angry, but I have made a wreck dive off of Split Rock Lighthouse, and I know how big and cold she is, even in August.   Definitely a lifetime memory for me-- seeing 1" thick steel plating twisted like ribbon strewn over the lake bottom.   Even big ships are pretty puny compared to what Nature can muster when it decides to.

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2005, 07:47:24 AM »
30 years ago today, the Edmund Fitzgerald, with 29 souls slipped beneath the waves of Lake Superior.

Poor bastards.

On another note, in researching the E.F. I was surprised how many times this boat hit stuff and was damaged.   Makes me wonder if all that cummulative damage contributed to her sinking.

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2005, 07:57:13 AM »
Just heard on the radio, it was the cadet's last training trip, and it was to be the Captain and 1st Engineer's last trip before retirement.

This is one of those tragedies that hits closer to home than most.   Not sure why, just the nature of the sinking I guess.  Happened really quick - the Capt's last words were, "We're holding our own."

Never found anybody, as far as I know.    One of the lifeboats washed ashore later but that was probably just ripped off in her plunge to the bottom.

You know, if you put her back together and stood her on end, she'd extend more than 200' out of the water?   I always had the image of her at the bottom of a deep, deep lake but that's not a true picture.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2005, 07:58:02 AM »
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy.

With a load of iron ore - 26,000 tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconson
As the big freighters go it was bigger than most
With a crew and the Captain well seasoned.

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ships bell rang
Could it be the North Wind they'd been feeling.

The wind in the wires made a tattletale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was the witch of November come stealing.

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashing
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane West Wind

When supper time came the old cook came on deck
Saying fellows it's too rough to feed ya
At 7PM a main hatchway caved in
He said fellas it's been good to know ya.

The Captain wired in he had water coming in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the words turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd fifteen more miles behind her.

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the ruins of her ice water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams,
The islands and bays are for sportsmen.

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered.

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they say, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2005, 08:21:41 AM »
Can you imagine, 26,000 tons of little pellets?



Was she over loaded, was that why she sank so easily?
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2005, 08:30:46 AM »
29 officers and crew.  What would the crew number be today considering the skeleton crews that man cargo ships nowadays?

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2005, 08:43:05 AM »
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Was she over loaded, was that why she sank so easily?


No, standard load.  

As for the reason for the sinking, it's never been determined.  There are two main theories though.  One is that she scraped bottom at six fathom shoals, sprung a leak, and took on enough water to make her unstable.  The other as that she took on water through a cargo hatch on deck that had been damaged by the storm.  

With either theory the end is about the same.  She likely plowed headlong into the bottom of a trough between waves and drove her bow under.  Cargo and water shifted forward, water on deck made her recovery slow, and she sailed straight under.  Snapped in half when her bow hit bottom, flipping the stern half of the ship upside down.

Think I'll pull "Gales of November" off the shelf again; haven't read it since 5th grade.  If you're interested in the ship, it's a great book and a fairly quick read.

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2005, 10:02:01 AM »
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As for the reason for the sinking, it's never been determined.  There are two main theories though.  One is that she scraped bottom at six fathom shoals, sprung a leak, and took on enough water to make her unstable.  The other as that she took on water through a cargo hatch on deck that had been damaged by the storm.  


I also heard one theory that a set of "rogue" waves caused her to break her back.  Two big waves in sequence picked up her stern and bow leaving her mid section unsupported.  The ship that was following seven miles behind her (I can't remember her name though.) reported waves that had the size and frequency to potentially cause this.

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2005, 10:18:30 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2005, 10:52:50 AM »
Terrible tragedy, strange circumstances, great song.

there is an article on the front page today about the man Edmund Fitzgerald. he was a head of Northwest Mutual here in Milwaukee, and going back many generations his family were mariners on the great lakes.


personally i subscribe to the 2 giant waves lifting the boat and snapping it in half theroy. all the other possibilities allow some time for a radio call of distress to be sent out.

she probably did bottom on the shoal, but it probably only weakened here, and helped the waves deal the death blow.


just read that Edmund Fitzgerald (not the son Edmund B.) never heard the Gordon Lightfoot song, and had refused a meeting one time back in the 80's.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2005, 11:09:39 AM »
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Can you imagine, 26,000 tons of little pellets?

 


How much would that weigh???

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2005, 12:05:46 PM »
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How much would that weigh???


uh lessee here maybe about 52,000,000 lbs or 23636363 kilos or 26,000 tons.    :p
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 12:14:56 PM »
I remember vacationing on Whitefish Bay in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  It would have been 77' or 78'-not too many years after she went down. I remember looking out at the endless water and thinking about Big Fitz.  An earry memory to this day.

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2005, 01:29:30 PM »
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I also heard one theory that a set of "rogue" waves caused her to break her back.  Two big waves in sequence picked up her stern and bow leaving her mid section unsupported.  The ship that was following seven miles behind her (I can't remember her name though.) reported waves that had the size and frequency to potentially cause this.

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The rogue wave theory doesn't hold up very well because it's not likely she broke at the surface.  The two pieces are very close to each other, and their orientation suggests that she plowed into the mud with the stern still sticking up and snapped when she buckled.  

It is possible that they were what drove her under though.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2005, 01:51:46 PM »
A sudden, cold, and violent demise for the crew though.  .