pls Unperk spit 14 and perk spit 16

[tikky]

Spit 14 is a dog.  spit 14 flies like 109s.  Spit 16 is way better in every way and and will be overused. Spit 8 is almost same as spit 14 in climb roll and turn except speed.

[Krusty]

Nah, they both need perking. The spit14 was perked for a big reason. That reason still exists. The Spit16 will probably be perked because the same reason, but a greater level of need.

[Booz]

It's funny, I see spit 16s flying at 16k hunting for that head-on instead of whipping on the 3k LA-7s

 If you're gonna fly at 16k, THEN fly a spit 14 and you'l realize it's even better for your one chance head on shot.

[Karnak]

Booz,

Actually 16,000ft is just about optimum altitude for the Spit VIII or Spit XVI.  Spit XIV doesn't hit optimum altitude until over 25,000ft.

[Booz]

and yet they all still suck at their one chance head on shots

[Karnak]

Well, their mistake is going for the HO.  It is a stupid option unless you literally have no other choice.

[Guppy35]

Jeez you guys.  Perk the XVI?  Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up.  The old V is gone now.  The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.  

Unperk em all and quit whining about this plane doing more then you want it to.  The XVI isn't uber, it's competitive with the other latewar birds in the arena.

Remember it's an LFIX with an American made Merlin 266 instead of a Rolls Merlin 66.  Call it an LFIX and it's a mid 43 design.  

The big difference is that it has the E wing, and wing hardpoints for ground attack as the LFXVI was used for that a lot in 44-45.  So was the LFIX which came off the production line alongside it.  It's only the engine maker that determined the Mark number.  English Merlin, it's an LFIX, American Merlin it's an LFXVI

So get off the perk it routine.  Heaven help us if the RAF fans actually had a Spit that was unperked 44-45 timeframe.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Jeez you guys.  Perk the XVI?  Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up.  The old V is gone now.  The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.  

Unperk em all and quit whining about this plane doing more then you want it to.  The XVI isn't uber, it's competitive with the other latewar birds in the arena.

Remember it's an LFIX with an American made Merlin 266 instead of a Rolls Merlin 66.  Call it an LFIX and it's a mid 43 design.  

The big difference is that it has the E wing, and wing hardpoints for ground attack as the LFXVI was used for that a lot in 44-45.  So was the LFIX which came off the production line alongside it.  It's only the engine maker that determined the Mark number.  English Merlin, it's an LFIX, American Merlin it's an LFXVI

So get off the perk it routine.  Heaven help us if the RAF fans actually had a Spit that was unperked 44-45 timeframe.

[Sable]

Flying the XIV in amongst the horde of XVI's I felt the XIV was simply better ... maybe not quite so easy to fly on the edge, but you were always carrying more E, and could still turn enough to get your shots or avoid a bounce.  And then if you did start to get into trouble, just hit the WEP and you're gone.  

My experience flying the P-51B/D against them was "just another slow spitfire" ... no real noticeable difference - just more targets that posed no serious threat.

So based on performance, I don't think the XVI or VIII deserve a perk - as for how much they get used we'll have to wait and see.  They certainly do make a whole lot of airplanes feel obsolete now in the a2a role though (see N1k, Ki84,C205, P38, P47, Yak 9t etc).

[Treize69]

I'd only say perk it to prevent overuse, but they don't do that with the La7, so...

Sure is fun to kill La7s with them though

[loony1]

I can eat a spit16 alive with a spit 5.....spit 16 is not that good

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Jeez you guys.  Perk the XVI?  Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up.  The old V is gone now.  The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.  

Can't you see that little flow in your logic? Spit 16 will catch lot of other planes, and when it does, it will outperform them in dogfight. Against spit5 you could break out when situation was against you. If spit V crowd wull switch to spit 16 it would be more or less ok, but in fact what probably will happen spit 16 will get lot of people switched from their usual rides. MA is more interesting when planeset is diverse. Make is dominated with one plane, and it is borring. It was with hogc few years ago, it was with la7 before the fuel burn multiplier changed, and now it may happen with spit 16 and spits generally. Do you really like to see every second plane in arena to be spit? I do not want it. It is Aces High, not Spits Low.

Lets wait and see. AH has many factors to consider, and to know if plane is popular you shall wait for couple weeks. After release many planes performanse was overestimated. I saw "perk it" post about il2 after release. But according to what I see 16 will end perked.

[bozon]

as long as planes like the LA7 and K4 are not perked, there's no reason to perk the XVI. It IS too good vs. most planes but so are the former two.

The previous situation where the perk-free RAF was 42-43 at best was ridiculous. Personally I'd like to see all 44-45 planes perked to some degree so the areana would shift toward 1943 and even early-war birds could have a shot at surviving.

Surviving now with the P47D11 when the spits are as fast as you are is going to be hard.

Bozon

[EdXCal]

Well the P-47's are hard to use where the spits fly, the P-47 I find is good in two roles, either low alt escorted attack, or as a very high alt fighter, at 20K and above is where I find the P-47, the N most of all, damn near being a god among the AH lineup. Same goes for the P-51D (The B is alright at alt).  
The spit 8 and 16 seem to be more of a low alt only type of fighter, I know the 16 is for sure, but the 8 I'm not totally sure about thats just what I'm getting from these forms. The mk8 I don't think should be perked from what I've noticed flying, but the 16 is a low alt beast without much of a drawback that I've seen yet...  
Lots of people talk about the same thing with the Ki-84, but it's main drawback is speed, it doesn't handle it well at all and you can easly use that to your advantage.  The Mk8 and 9 seem to have only slight disadvantages in speed to turn if any to most planes and if not it's got one way better then the other. The Mk16 seems just as good as a mk14 but for low alt use, the lower alt engine, clipped wings and new rudder it's freaky at low alt! It's turn rate seems to be lacking slightly from the clipped wings but the powerful engine seems to be able to keep it moving even well hanging on a stall!
I think the Mk16 should be perked just the same as the Mk14, the Mk8 I'm don't know enough about but I find it to be a sweet looking ride (lol) and the rest seem just fine now that the Mk5 has been toned down, I've noticed the total lack of engine power.
I find the Seafire to be perfect! It has a good perfomance zone that I really like now and that tail hook looks freakin' awesome! lol

Edward

[Kazaa]

Guys, rember when you where kids...... on Christmas day & you got the toy you wanted all year round........ & you played with it all day with A massive smile on your face, well then don't take my toy away

I flew the Spitfire Mk9 before this patch, but I need A new Spitfire to fly, one that could keep up with the fast planes & not be an easy target for the Nippy planes, (& look as cool as the Spitfire does of course) I'm tired of people trying to rope & pick me & I'm tired of runners & im even more tired of thoes Spitfire Mk5's, A6M5's Hurry2c's that could out turn me in the end. The Spitfire Mk16 is that plane , So give it A month & see how the plane fits in, & just leave it up to Hitech, they know what they are doing.

P.S you never know, the new Spitfire Mk16 may but the High back into Aces High, I can see it now, Spitfire Mk16's, 109G14's P51B/D's all in the sky, where they belong.