pls Unperk spit 14 and perk spit 16

[Fariz]

Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I doubt if they will perk the Spit 16.

Lets wait and see. I am not going to comment this matter for couple of weeks. Lets see what it will turn into. As of now I find spit 16 the very strong candidate for perking for the combination of its virtues, but, again, lets wait and see.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Bruv119
its the pilot not the plane

Actually, in many cases, it *IS* the plane, not the pilot. The plane that keeps going up while every other plane in the game stalls out, the plane that keeps turning tightly (mindlessly, even) while others can't compete in circles, the plane that instantly kills the enemy with 1 ping (be it tempest quadzookas, or me262 quad 30mm), and the plane that outruns enemies or chases them down so they can't make it home safely.

Most cases it *IS* the plane, and most people that would get their arses handed to them in a 1v1 in the same plane actually do well in AH because the planes amplify all the pilot's skills, or don't amplify them, depending on the plane.

Being a good pilot is one thing, yes. Generally a good spit pilot is good in anything else. But a bad pilot in everything else suddenly becomes a good pilot in a spitfire (using the spit as an example).

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Krusty
*cough* not only can it chase down most planes, once *cough* it catches them it can easily kill them in the vertical or in turn fights *cough* with no effort at all *cough*

Really, all kinds of guys were out runnin me last night , even from a dive a couldnt catch most 190s, N1Ks, KIs, LAs, typh, 109s, ponies, get the point?  Have you even flown it in the MA?

[Krusty]

**I CANNOT LOG IN** stupid sonuvva.... the damn game won't let me log in to MA or HTH. Sassafrassin'!!!!

It's plenty fast for me in offline testing.

EDIT: If you can't catch n1k2s or ki's you're not flying it right lol, those are both relatively slow planes.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
You show me a 109 that needs perking and I'll agree. So far none have shown anywhere near the qualities of the 16.

Even you have to admit the spit16 is as good as the 14 in every area (speed difference is minimal), and better in roll rate. The 109s, it seems, got their effectiveness drastically reduced (losing gondolas on 2 planes, losing 30mm on G6, E4 rolls like a pig at all speeds, all 109s roll like pigs below 175mph).

Show me one, and defend why it needs perking.

You can't just say "If you want to perk a spit, then you have to perk a 109" because it doesn't work that way. They are not correlative. You might as well say "You want to perk a spit? Then you have to perk the La7!" -- in which case you might have an argument based on performance.

Using Widewing's Performance figures:

Speed with WEP at 50 feet flying with 25% gas I measured with E6B:
337 mph for Spit Mk.VIII
343 mph for Spit Mk.XVI
359 mph for Spit MK.XIV
369 mph for Bf 109K-4
347 mph for Bf 109G-14
337 mph for Bf 109G-6
304 mph for Spit Mk.Vb
303 mph for Seafire Mk.IIc

Time to Climb, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79

Appears the K4 is faster then all the Spits including the XIV.  Guess that one ought to be perked then unless you are unperking the XIV.  G14 is faster then all the Spits outside of the XIV.  Better get that one too if you are gonna perk the XVI

Hows that for a start?

personally, I'd say unperk em all and let folks fly what they want to fly.  The problem is that for folks who like Spits, the cry is always to send em back to 43 version because the 44-45 is too good for everyone else.

[Krusty]

It's a start but not much of one. I don't like his start speed of 300mph. That involves zoom climbing. I'd just take off at sea level, and autoclimb the second I hit autoclimb speed.

However you can't use speed alone. Look at the typhie. It's arguably one of the worst planes in the game, yet its fast. Great guns, but can't turn inside a football field.

Look at the dora. It's fast, sure, but most people hate it because it accelerates very poorly. And it can't turn under 175 without dropping a wing in a stall.

So speed alone isn't enough. The entire package must be considered. The 16, in my opinion, IS the entire package. The 109K4 is just speed, nothing else. Your mileage may vary, but that's not a LW plane that needs perking.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
It's a start but not much of one. I don't like his start speed of 300mph. That involves zoom climbing. I'd just take off at sea level, and autoclimb the second I hit autoclimb speed.

However you can't use speed alone. Look at the typhie. It's arguably one of the worst planes in the game, yet its fast. Great guns, but can't turn inside a football field.

Look at the dora. It's fast, sure, but most people hate it because it accelerates very poorly. And it can't turn under 175 without dropping a wing in a stall.

So speed alone isn't enough. The entire package must be considered. The 16, in my opinion, IS the entire package. The 109K4 is just speed, nothing else. Your mileage may vary, but that's not a LW plane that needs perking.

So I lose the plane I want to fly because it has virtues that bother you but you keep yours cause my concern isn't enough?

As near as I can tell Krusty, from your postings, you prefer LW iron.  Thats all well and good.  More power to ya.  But for those of us who prefer RAF iron for whatever reasons, mine being the history stuff, why must we lose out on the 44-45 birds consistantly?

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by Krusty
*cough* goes vertical far better than even the Ki84 *cough*

An LA7 will outclimb a Ki84, and so I believe will a 109G10

*cough* 5000+ fpm past 10k *cough**[/QUOTE]

Er, I don’t think that is quite right?

*cough* turns like a spitfire *cough*[/QUOTE]

Well, it IS a Spitfire

*cough* rolls like a 190 *cough*[/QUOTE]

So does a Hog, although come to think of it, 2 of our 4 Hogs are perked, but that is only because the Hog is such a freakin’ amazing plane


*cough* beats almost every plane in acceleration *cough*[/QUOTE]

It doesn’t out accelerate a LA7, nor I doubt a NIKI, and I am not sure about the KI84.

*cough* armed with 2x50cal and **2xhizookas** *cough*[/QUOTE]

And some planes have 4X hizookas and aren’t perked.

*cough* not only can it chase down most planes, once *cough* it catches them it can easily kill them in the vertical or in turn fights *cough* with no effort at all *cough*[/QUOTE]

I think a good stick in a LA7 will hand a Spit16 pilot his nuts in a paper bag.  Spit 9 will outturn it, and I bet the NIKI will tie a knot in a Spit16’s tail quite easily.

Spit14 is perked. Spit16 will be too. The spit16 is almost identical in most "uber areas" and even better in roll rate than the Spit14. [/QUOTE]

I think you may be wrong on that

*cough**cough*[/QUOTE]

You definitely need to do something about that nasty cold you have

I hope you get to feeling better soon

[Bronk]

Krusty has been screaming perk thhis plane since  8/05. Krusty why not give it a month or 2 to see the effect on MA. I figure once the newness factor goes away people will migrate back to there old rides anyway.
IMHO the eny should be the same as the la7 and thats it. Also the Mk IX, and V eny should now be upped a bit.

Bronk

[Pooface]

krusty, first off you dont even play in MA, and second you're a luftwobble dweeb with a biased opinion. whining because a plane has good performance is rediculus. its not even as good as you make it out. i guarantee that the spit16 will die down within a week

personally, i only see the point in perking the 262 and the 163, maybe the tempest very lightly.

id like to see everything else unperked for a short while to see how it goes

and the eny of the spit5 needs to be far higher, it sucks now. 25 is still too low

[fartwinkle]

Oh good Lord!
Stop yer crying and just fly and have fun.
Perking is ghey enough as it is no need to make it any more so.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Using Widewing's Performance figures:

Speed with WEP at 50 feet flying with 25% gas I measured with E6B:
337 mph for Spit Mk.VIII
343 mph for Spit Mk.XVI
359 mph for Spit MK.XIV
369 mph for Bf 109K-4
347 mph for Bf 109G-14
337 mph for Bf 109G-6
304 mph for Spit Mk.Vb
303 mph for Seafire Mk.IIc

Time to Climb, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79

Appears the K4 is faster then all the Spits including the XIV.  Guess that one ought to be perked then unless you are unperking the XIV.  G14 is faster then all the Spits outside of the XIV.  Better get that one too if you are gonna perk the XVI

Hows that for a start?

personally, I'd say unperk em all and let folks fly what they want to fly.  The problem is that for folks who like Spits, the cry is always to send em back to 43 version because the 44-45 is too good for everyone else.

Ah but Dan think about, at 18lbs it is a 1943 version (LF IXe), what they want is us in Sopwith Camels (even then there'd be a "perk it" cry for its turning performance)

[Bronk]

^^^^^


LMAO

Bronk

[Bronk]

The thing that gets me is the LW fanboys are worried about 5 min of 25 lb boost. Thats just SAD. Think about the average MA player . I'd bet that boost is all but gone before he even enters the fight. Then it becomes just another spit.
I can see it now . Dora driver to squad " I just compleated porkin troops 18 fields back.". Squad " wtg good job". Dorka driver "EEEEEEPPPPPP spit XVI diving on me and gaining fast please advise.". Squad " Stirr stick faster. then after he shoots ya down go to the bbs and post a perk spit XVI whine."




Bronk






I posted this back in august . Only thing i was wrong about was the 25 Lb boost.


Bronk

[Morpheus]

Dan, why are you bothering with this retard?