Religious Leaders Should Denounce

[midnight Target]

Denouncing = Association?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Denouncing = Association?

have you denounced Louis Farakan yet?

[midnight Target]

Ok I hearby denounce him. I think he is a racist idiot.

Feel better?

[ChickenHawk]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Denouncing = Association?

It implies previous association.  If you don't think they were associated in any way, why would you be calling for them to denounce Pat?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by ChickenHawk
It implies previous association.  If you don't think they were associated in any way, why would you be calling for them to denounce Pat?

Since when?

I denounce Osama Bin Laden! I guess that means we used to be pals? LOL... funny.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
have you denounced Louis Farakan yet?

How about asking our liberal friend to denounce a certain religious leader that makes a living out of extorting money from big businesses by telling them that his organization will sue their pants off if they don't incorporate his cultural system?

Lets see what Ann Coulter has to say about Mr. Jackson. :D:D

Jesse Jackson, the Baptist minister, apparently had no intention of waiting for the afterlife to get his taste of the good life. With his Rainbow/Push Coalition bringing in millions of dollars a year at its peak, Mr. Jackson indulged in expensive homes, cars and companionship, mostly with his ministry's money.



That's a paraphrase of how The New York Times began a news item about a fallen preacher -- not Jesse "Show Me the Money" Jackson, but "televangelist" Jim Bakker, head of PTL ministries, swiftly deposed after a sex scandal in the '80s.



Bakker's affair was evidently limited to a single night, there was no "love child," and over the course of seven years Bakker paid his lady friend about half ($265,000) of what Jackson admits to paying his mistress in two years ($472,000) -- and about one-third of what the National Enquirer reports Jackson has paid ($640,000).



Jackson's mistress probably needs the money more: Having had her affair with a black liberal, she cannot expect lucrative offers from smut magazines to pose nude. The pornography industry is primarily interested in prolonging the humiliation of Republicans.



Indeed, the entire establishment is truly gleeful only when discussing the sexual scandals of putative conservatives. By contrast, the Jackson "situation," as a New York Times column put it, merely "illustrates the need to acknowledge that our leaders will occasionally disappoint."



The Times column sneered at the idea of using a "test of sexual propriety" as a basis for moral judgments. Real moral lapse -- not to be confused with a 59-year-old man trying to derive sexual satisfaction from a young female staffer -- is being a Republican. Immorality, it seems, can also be "cut(ting) millions of the needy from welfare rolls," or firing Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders because she had "suggested that masturbation should be openly discussed with young people."



It takes a particularly fanatical socialist to believe the government is required to teach adolescent boys to masturbate -- but this logic demonstrates: Disbelief in the ministrations of the federal government is the only known liberal iniquity. Immorality incarnate is either Perverts or People Who Believe in Tax Cuts. Take your pick. Democrats are the proud party of perversion.



Over a decade ago, the same point was made during the media's giddy celebration of the perfidy of televangelist Bakker. Even then, the left was careful to couch its sneers at Bakker in terms that would not reflect badly on adultery per se. New York Times columnist Tom Wicker sniffed, for example, "Mr. Bakker, whose offense is not exactly unheard of ..."



Wicker then went on to pronounce that "the greatest offense" was "the narrowness, exclusivity and lack of charity -- the bigotry --" of Christian evangelism. This "greatest offense" includes a belief in "heterosexuality only, and only within marriage"(!), as well as the "maintenance at all costs of the traditional family." The "at all costs" in that last sentence is a nice touch. It's been about 15 years since Wicker wrote it. How about we compare "costs" of "not exactly unheard of" adultery with the "costs" of traditional families?



The Times' more recent explication of what true sin is (Republicanism) refers to society's "obsession with sexual sin" as if we should really be concentrating on something else, like self-immolation. But there's a reason several millennia of religious teaching share this unseemly "obsession with sexual sin": It's apparently one of the more tempting transgressions. People don't have to be exhorted constantly not to stick forks in their eyes -- also a sin -- because it's not that big a temptation.



The dirty masses' "obsession with sexual sin" also operates to protect what are normally two of the left's favorite victim groups -- women and children. Indeed, comparing the quantity of love letters women write to mass murderers and serial killers with the number of love letters women write to their adulterous ex-husbands, women seem to find "sexual sin" uniquely unforgivable.



They're having a good laugh in Koreatown about the exposure of Jesse Jackson (who further cemented the hatred between blacks and Koreans when he minimized the violence against Koreans during the Los Angeles riots with the dismissive remark, "Desperate people do desperate things"): "Ha-ha, Jesse Jackson have love child -- more work, less babies." But they won't be able to laugh long. Liberals always get a lot of credit for suffering, while never actually being made to suffer.



Immediately after he was forced to own up to the love child (the National Enquirer had DNA evidence), Jackson pledged to withdraw from public life to "revive my spirit and reconnect with my family." For a few days, the airwaves were bristling with accounts of the Rev. Jesse's Jackson's deep suffering and his "trial of tears."



God's grace worked fast: After taking the weekend off, Jesse Jackson was back in action this week, just in time for a lucrative Wall Street shakedown. It's not as if he had done something really bad, like support a reduction in marginal tax rates.

[midnight Target]

What? you want me to say Jesse is a dimwit? OK. I'll say it as long as it gets this train wreck back on topic.

We got ourselves a Christian Evangelist with a TV show spouting very dangerous crap. I think every pastor should make Sunday's sermon about evil and how Pat Robertson is filling the bill.

Saying there are others who are as bad sure as heck ain't addressing the problem, it is only acting like a three year old and pointing out that "Johnny's mom lets him eat candy!"

sheeeesh

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
What? you want me to say Jesse is a dimwit? OK. I'll say it as long as it gets this train wreck back on topic.

We got ourselves a Christian Evangelist with a TV show spouting very dangerous crap. I think every pastor should make Sunday's sermon about evil and how Pat Robertson is filling the bill.

Saying there are others who are as bad sure as heck ain't addressing the problem, it is only acting like a three year old and pointing out that "Johnny's mom lets him eat candy!"

sheeeesh

But...but...FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
But...but...FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

you got nothing huh?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Ok I hearby denounce him. I think he is a racist idiot.

Feel better?

yes I do...thanks.

Pat Roberts is an a.s.s.h.a.t

[J_A_B]

"I think every pastor should make Sunday's sermon about evil and how Pat Robertson is filling the bill."


And you've been to church to know that they haven't, right?


Keep in mind how fragmented the various Christian sub-types are.  For example, from the point of view I was raised with, only Catholics and some Eastern Orthodox believers are really Christian at all.   Wierdos like Robertson are basically splinter-groups and are routinely "denounced".  Robertson is a Southern Baptist, a denomination which I grew up being taught was extremist and backwards.


J_A_B

[Gunslinger]

We should go ahead and denounce everyone while we are at it.

Everyone you are denounced by me.  My concious is cleared.

[lazs2]

I can't really denounce him since I am not a member of his church but he is a waste of humanity....  comparitively speaking tho he is head and shoulders better (less evil) than jackson or the fat james brown lookalike.  I don't think he will instill any riots.

lazs

[ChickenHawk]

Perhaps I didn't get my point across very well.  Unless a pastor is a Southern Baptist, he doesn't have any reason to denouce Pat Robertson because they are not affiliated with him.

You might say "but their both Christians".  I could just as easily say why don't you denounce Pat Roberston to the world MT, your both Americans.

Nobody with any sense is going to go anywhere near enough to that quack to do any denouncing.  It's not the responsability of 99% of the pastors in this country.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Midnight,

You are probably well aware of this already, but the United States is literally filled with demagogues who say stupid things every day, and who have a loyal following who continue to support them regardless of how absurd their commentary becomes.
- SEAGOON

That is a perfect description of miko2 on the AGW board.