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Offline Kirin

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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2005, 10:20:25 AM »
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AH is not a combat simulator. It's a flight simulator. Because the gameplay and dynamics are totally and completely different from real WW2 combat, we need ammo counters otherwise the system doesn't work too well.


... uhm, AH frontpage says:

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Aces High II is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war.


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Well, either way. With the new cockpit renovations it seems to me HTC is pointing towards more realistic cockpits opposed to the generic ones from AH1. While having ammo-counters and trim-indicators may be a gameplay concesion I really hate em. They destroy any illusion of a realistic cockpit. Why does my (historical) ammo counter show the trim tabs while there has to be a ugly digital counter to be installed.

My strive for realism conflicts with the many concessions AH has. Concering the planes I've been always wishing for realistic gauges (kinda have em now - but still IMPERIAL readings in LW cockpits - yuck); trim on the surfaces (and only them) which were trimable in flight historical and above all realistic motor manegement (e.g. prop pitch, overheating, radiator flaps etc)...

But those will never come...   :cry
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Offline scott123

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2005, 10:38:22 AM »
give me visible trim indicators,Ican live without ammo counters.;)
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2005, 10:52:55 AM »
With AH's view system what difference does it make where the ammo counters are? Just map key pad 8 (forward view) so you can take a quick snapshot of the counters. Or get trackIR... I can't understand why one would need to stare at them constantly, to count every bullet? A quick look to see how much ammo is left should be good enough.

I play allot of FB/AEP/PF and folks get along fine without ammo counters (and icons, damage list and a lot of other stuff described as 'crutch').

However, my aversion to the ammo counters is that they are hideously ugly. If folks in AH must have exact ammo count (I do agree what Kweassa stated, ammo counters do dictate the conditions of the fight more so then even fuel) then put them in the E6B.

It seems that they have some talent for making cockpits in AH2 (AH1 stuff was always horrible). I hope one day they bite the bullet and go for more historical cockpits. However, I don't think AHs player base would tolerate that.
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Offline Elyeh

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2005, 03:32:21 PM »
LOL..... If you map a foward look (I already have it) you cant see the count because the handle blocks the view!

Thats my complaint.... You have to dive to see through the handle, or bank left or right.

AH put it a counter on the planes so it can be used I'm assuming.

The handle makes it hard/unable to view the cannon/DT/ord count. (you can see MG count just fine)

Thats what I'm trying to stress here.

Move the counter back where it was...where it can be used
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2005, 03:52:33 PM »
I have no difficulty viewing the counter when I want to.  Maybe it is just you.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2005, 04:10:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Elyeh
LOL..... If you map a foward look (I already have it) you cant see the count because the handle blocks the view!

Thats my complaint.... You have to dive to see through the handle, or bank left or right.

AH put it a counter on the planes so it can be used I'm assuming.

The handle makes it hard/unable to view the cannon/DT/ord count. (you can see MG count just fine)

Thats what I'm trying to stress here.

Move the counter back where it was...where it can be used


You can use page up / down and the arrow keys to set then save your head position (default F10) to view the counters without having the look through the handle (at least on all the planes I just checked)...

In which plane are you claiming this is impossible?
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Offline Elyeh

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2005, 07:19:53 PM »
Dude... Fly a Spit... Have your normal head postion  more foward than back.

Fly straight and level.... "Look foward" the handle is blocking the cannon count.  You can see part of the word  but not see how many rounds you have.  :furious
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2005, 07:55:32 PM »
I see the whole ammo counter 'bar', Dude...



Spit XVI, straight and level...

Save Keypad_8 as ForwardDown, adjust head a bit, save with F10. Instant hot key to check ammo. You can even zoom in and out.

Are you sure you aren't just looking for something to whine about..?
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Offline Elyeh

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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2005, 12:36:24 AM »
Ya know what....... I'm not the only one who has a complaint about the counter. Why not have left it where its at? Why have to look down in the middle of a fight? The beacon serves no purpose where the  counter used to be. I'm not whining I think your being argumentive.

Just answer me this ....Why move it so you have to look down? What was the matter where it was????
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2005, 01:19:12 AM »
It was moved so as to make the cockpit more historical.  Deal with it.
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Offline bozon

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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2005, 01:28:20 AM »
The stick moves.
To see cannon counter - roll left
To see MG counter - roll right
:D

The location of the compass is also not usefull, but then again, I think spits did not have a dial compass and definitly not the rotating needle like we have that I havn't seen on any plane.

Bozon
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2005, 02:39:17 AM »
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Originally posted by bozon
The stick moves.
To see cannon counter - roll left
To see MG counter - roll right
:D

The location of the compass is also not usefull, but then again, I think spits did not have a dial compass and definitly not the rotating needle like we have that I havn't seen on any plane.

Bozon

hmmm if I see a spit rolling left then right I can guess safely he is out of ammo ?

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Offline justin_g

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2005, 03:43:01 AM »
The horizontal compass at the bottom of the panel is accurate - look at any photo of a real Spitfire cockpit.
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Offline Elyeh

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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2005, 06:49:24 AM »
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It was moved so as to make the cockpit more historical.  Deal with it.


Ok then why have them at all?  Just eliminate them.
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