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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2005, 04:56:07 PM »
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No fear Curval, children of wealth and privlege seldom have that worry. In the States or your rock


39 posts yet you have me pinned as a person of wealth and privilege?  Who are you and why are you posting under a shades account?

There is a reason that the US military is having to resort to gathering info without any form of permission to try and coerce kids into joining the military right now.  

I'm very glad that they won't have the opportunity to try it on mine that's all.
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2005, 05:03:57 PM »
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39 posts yet you have me pinned as a person of wealth and privilege?  Who are you and why are you posting under a shades account?

There is a reason that the US military is having to resort to gathering info without any form of permission to try and coerce kids into joining the military right now.  

I'm very glad that they won't have the opportunity to try it on mine that's all.


see that's were you are completly wrong.  The military isn't "resorting" to anything.  They've allways done this.  This group seeks to undermine the security of the United States because it fits their political Ideology.

What they don't get is the fact that if the military recruiters cannot recruit from High School there WILL eventually be a draft.  Right now their kids have a choice of wether to join the military or even TALK to a recruiter.  If there's a draft there won't be that choice.
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2005, 06:25:51 PM »
Everyone needs to send them an E-mail telling them they are wackos

They should be ashamed
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2005, 06:36:29 PM »
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That's what I'm saying.  Basically what I can assume is that we used to get these lists in a print out, they probably now go into some database and get accessed by computer instead of having huge file cabinates and folders.  The fact that they are storing this stuff in a database to me is just modernization.

What I take issue with is the information beyond the name, address, & phone #.  Basically, I'd prefer the government to know as little about me and my offspring (assuming i go insane and decide to breed) as possible.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2005, 06:57:04 PM »
is selective service still required of 18 yr olds?  I had to sign up on my 18th birthday.  Used to be the law.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2005, 07:32:17 PM »
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What I take issue with is the information beyond the name, address, & phone #.  Basically, I'd prefer the government to know as little about me and my offspring (assuming i go insane and decide to breed) as possible.


Tis unfortunate.. but with your SS# resides all the dirty deeds and details of your most unfortunate life... yer uncle sam already knows everything.

everything.

every single little thing.

all of it.

Brittany... the New Kids... the whole deal.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2005, 07:40:28 PM »
Hang, SOB,

Here's my view on it.  They do not need your SSN, that I'd agree with.  The only reason they need SSN is to run a backround/Credit check, wich they DO do IF you want to sign up.

But the other half is that this isn't just some corporation this is the govt, if they wanted your SSN couldn't they just get it?  Either way I'd agree with you, the lists we saw did not have SSNs and when I went to high school 10 years ago I don't think my school had that info either.

Nirvana,

Since you're still in High School, does your school have your SSN?
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2005, 07:41:15 PM »
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is selective service still required of 18 yr olds?  I had to sign up on my 18th birthday.  Used to be the law.


Yes kids are still required by law to register on their 18th B-day.  They are required to have a selective service number prior to enlisting as well.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2005, 07:42:13 PM »
I knew about this for years.
I fail to see what the big deal is.

Just last week a recruiter called asking to speak to my son.

So I turned to my son (now 17) and said to him "Its for you, its an  Army recruiter"

My son "Whats he want?"

Me  "What the hell you think he wants? Probably wants to talk to you to see if your interested in joining the Army. You interested or not?"

My son (sarcastic look on his face) "No. Im not joining the army"

Me "You sure? Its your call kid"

My son "Dad, Im not joining the Army. I want to go to Rutgers. I told you that. Tell him Im not interested"

Me "Ok.  He said hes not interested"

Recruiter "Ok, that you"

Simple as that.

No muss no fuss.

IF he wantd to talk to the man and decided to join I'd support him.
And if he didnt. Well I'd support him in that too.

I figure at 17 he's old enough and he has earned the kind of respect from me to  know he's responsable enough to start making alot of his own life decisions.



For now this is the decision he has made. And Im ok with it.
Should he change his mind later I will support that also.

Some years ago I told him I was giving him two choices. He could study hard and go to college. or he could join the marines. Either way he was going to learn something
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2005, 07:48:35 PM »
WTG dred, that's really all you have to do.  My parents gave me two choices.....ok 3.....it was go to college locally and I could live at home.  No college and I move out get a job and support myself.  Long before I made this choice my best friend came back from recruit training from the Marines and I knew that's what I wanted to do.  I was a recruiters dream, I walked into their office as a junior and said I'll give you guys a call when I'm 18.  I did and signed up 2 days after my birthday.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2005, 08:15:34 PM »
Well, I was given a few choices.


One of them was that my dad would support me completely as long as I stayed "The **** out of the marines."
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2005, 08:39:40 PM »
Mac  <----Dropped outta HS at 16... joined the Army at 17....got a GED and an AS and BS degree... wasn't easy, to many of nights and stretched out years... I am a stickler in my Family now on Education... I push my children hard and at times they regret it...

My oldest Daughter who is as stubborn as I am, Scholarship @ Baylor Medical College, turned down a Congressional and Presidential appointment to West Point, she went and partied 2 years at OU till Daddy jerked her chain,,,Heh... Dads...we can do that chit.

My youngest Daughter is being nominated into the National Honor Roll. There's educational competition between Michelle and Renae...and they each know it.

And my Son..The girls torment him but love him to Death... Tomorrow I'll teach him how to pisss on a Duck...Later as he grows he'll have to pisss on a Bull... Welcom to Manhood!!!

Mac, never a Dull Moment!

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2005, 09:18:25 PM »
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There is a reason that the US military is having to resort to gathering info without any form of permission to try and coerce kids into joining the military right now.  
I'm very glad that they won't have the opportunity to try it on mine that's all.


Curve I think you know me a bit better than that other guy and I know you as well. Given that, I was rather taken back by your earler statement and the part quoted above.

The kids are not coerced into joining and no one has been forced into the military in this country for some time.

In a way I really do wish that we would adopt a style of government franchise that was spelled out in Heinlien's book Starship Troopers. You can live in the country and take part in the lifestyle. If you want to take part in a position of authority or vote you should be expected to earn it by service to the country in some concrete manner. Those that have invested in the country and placed themselves in a position to actually put deeds, not words, into actions have demonstrated the higher degree of responsibility to exercise that franchise or being responsible for the direction the country is moving.

That made sense to me decades ago and the older I get it makes even more sense given the irresponsible behavior of many people and the IMO abuse of the freedoms others have earned for them. With freedom comes responsibility to exercise it. Many do not understand that in my observation, especially those who gain that freedom through no action of their own other than through luck in birthplace. I have seen that those who are merely given things seldom respect the value of what they were given or the worth of those that provided it for them without any required action on their own. Sad. It's IMO even sadder that there are many who feel it is their right to have things and rights provided for them with no effort to earn them.

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2005, 09:31:15 PM »
Kerry's "I Have a Plan.."  was great....

Waiting for it to come out on DVD...

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2005, 09:34:27 PM »
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In a way I really do wish that we would adopt a style of government franchise that was spelled out in Heinlien's book Starship Troopers. You can live in the country and take part in the lifestyle. If you want to take part in a position of authority or vote you should be expected to earn it by service to the country in some concrete manner. Those that have invested in the country and placed themselves in a position to actually put deeds, not words, into actions have demonstrated the higher degree of responsibility to exercise that franchise or being responsible for the direction the country is moving.

That made sense to me decades ago and the older I get it makes even more sense given the irresponsible behavior of many people and the IMO abuse of the freedoms others have earned for them. With freedom comes responsibility to exercise it. Many do not understand that in my observation, especially those who gain that freedom through no action of their own other than through luck in birthplace. I have seen that those who are merely given things seldom respect the value of what they were given or the worth of those that provided it for them without any required action on their own. Sad. It's IMO even sadder that there are many who feel it is their right to have things and rights provided for them with no effort to earn them.

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How very Jeffersonian.

I agree completely. Serve, either civil or military; you get the franchise. No service, no franchise.

I'd like to add.. tax exemption and guaranteed healthcare for those that chose military service instead of civil service would be nice.

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