Author Topic: How the left supports the troops (Read 1008 times)

Gunslinger · « **on:** November 12, 2005, 02:11:24 PM »

It's simply amazing that these people align themselves with democrats and poeple still vote for them.

http://leavemychildalone.org/

From the site.

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DID YOU KNOW....
... that the notorious No Child Left Behind Act includes a sneaky section that requires high schools to turn over private information on students to military recruiters?

Yes it's been done this way since the days of modern recruitment. Just like colleges military recruiters from all branches get a list of students who are potential applicants. This is nothing new been that way since at least 92 probably before then.

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And that the Pentagon has created an illegal database of 30 million 16-25 year-olds, including names, addresses, email addresses, cell phone numbers, ethnicities, social security numbers, extracurricular activities, and areas of study?

Welcome to the modern age of computers.....

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Yikes. What do we do? Any way you look at it, this is a family privacy nightmare, another strong-arming of our local schools, and a creepy warm-up to a possible draft. However, it's also a great reason to get together and take action.

again nothing new here.....this has been done for at least the last 10 years.

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A second thought occured to me and that is if these people don't want their children to enlist all they have to do is not sign the papers. Once the kids are 18 they are their own people. I would agree that recruiters are annoying when they CONSTANTLY call but most don't see how stressfull their jobs are. If one annoys you all you have to do is contact the station commander and complain to him and the phone calls will probably stop.

SOB · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2005, 03:08:58 PM »

Man, what a bunch of horrible crazies! Wanting to keep personal information about their children out of the hands of the Pentagon. Those bastards!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2005, 03:23:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Man, what a bunch of horrible crazies! Wanting to keep personal information about their children out of the hands of the Pentagon. Those bastards!

They didn't have a problem with this 2, 4, or 10 years ago, what's changed? The pentagon has allways had this info, it's nothing new. We have a volunteer standing army, if they can't recruit are denied the ability to recruit guess what happens then?

Heater · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2005, 03:39:40 PM »

The e-mail I sent to them

You have got to be kidding right?

You people make me sick, I spent my 20 years in the military, so the people like you all would have the right to do **** like this, Well I hope like hell when some terrorist group lands on your front door, that some else is there to save your ass. Because I sure as hell will not even lift a finger to help your sorry tulips out!

Curval · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2005, 03:57:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
They didn't have a problem with this 2, 4, or 10 years ago, what's changed? The pentagon has allways had this info, it's nothing new. We have a volunteer standing army, if they can't recruit are denied the ability to recruit guess what happens then?

There wasn't a war going on in Iraq.

You claim a child can make their own decisions at 18 years old. To that I say, I made the worst decisions of my entire life when I was 18. I thought I knew it all when I knew absolutely SQUAT.

Denied the ability to recruit? lol. Thank GOD my kids aren't anywhere near 18 or anywhere near your recruiters.

NUKE · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:04:16 PM »

These same type of people (some whacked out liberals) have no problem with a 14 year old girl having an abortion without even having to tell the parents.

Why should they have a problem with their kid talking to recruiters in high school?

midnight Target · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:05:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Heater
The e-mail I sent to them

You have got to be kidding right?

You people make me sick, I spent my 20 years in the military, so the people like you all would have the right to do **** like this, Well I hope like hell when some terrorist group lands on your front door, that some else is there to save your ass. Because I sure as hell will not even lift a finger to help your sorry tulips out!

So you were only fighting for the freedom to agree with you? I salute your service Heater, but I think you don't quite get this whole freedom thing.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:06:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
There wasn't a war going on in Iraq.

You claim a child can make their own decisions at 18 years old. To that I say, I made the worst decisions of my entire life when I was 18. I thought I knew it all when I knew absolutely SQUAT.

Denied the ability to recruit? lol. Thank GOD my kids aren't anywhere near 18 or anywhere near your recruiters.

Ummm actually there was a war going on in Iraq at the time. Since then the military has deployed to Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, East timor, Africa and many others I can't think of right now. If reqruiters are denied contact information to High School students then They are denied a invaluable tool for recruiting. Either way an 18 year old has the right to sign up if he/she's qualified and a parent cannot stop them. If the applicant is not 18 than the parent has to sign his/her papers. No one is forcing kids into the military at all.

But again I have to ask this, if the military can't recruit qualified applicants what happens next?

EDIT: there is a war on. But the TRUTH is that the points they make on their website have been there long before the invasion of Iraq and Sept 11th. one could make the connection that this is a direct attempt to undermine the military's effectiveness/strength.

Russian · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:08:14 PM »

Military makes a man; man without military is a puss.

I believe that military should be 2 years mandatory service. Let ‘em dig ditches or similar physical work…but that’s not possible in US. It’s cheaper to hire Mexican do that labor intense work than for military guy.

SOB · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:13:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
They didn't have a problem with this 2, 4, or 10 years ago, what's changed? The pentagon has allways had this info, it's nothing new. We have a volunteer standing army, if they can't recruit are denied the ability to recruit guess what happens then?

Did they know about this 2, 4, or 10 years ago? I didn't. We do have a volunteer army, and I don't want to deny them the ability to recruit, but rather the ability to gather up information on people's children without prior consent. They can still advertise, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't see any problem with them visiting schools on career days and the like.

Rooster · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:18:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval

Denied the ability to recruit? lol. Thank GOD my kids aren't anywhere near 18 or anywhere near your recruiters.

No fear Curval, children of wealth and privlege seldom have that worry. In the States or your rock

Gunslinger · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:25:07 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Did they know about this 2, 4, or 10 years ago? I didn't. We do have a volunteer army, and I don't want to deny them the ability to recruit, but rather the ability to gather up information on people's children without prior consent. They can still advertise, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't see any problem with them visiting schools on career days and the like.

I've worked in recruiting offices and they request from schools class lists. Usually these lists just has name, addr, and phone number on them. THe military uses these lists for "cold calling" That's calling every name on the list to try and set up appointment interviews. During these interviews the recruiter feels out the kid to see what he's interested in and what he want's out of life. I've never ever heard a recruiter tell a kid not to go to college but does show them the programs that will help pay for them.

Colleges get the same lists from schools and use them in the same way.

This was in 94 when I was first interested in joining the Marines....then 95 when I actually enlisted....and again in 97 when I did 30 days of recruiters assistant. My brother enlisted in 93 and it wasn't much different then and I can only assume that not much was different 10 years prior to that.

Rino · « **Reply #12 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:29:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
There wasn't a war going on in Iraq.

You claim a child can make their own decisions at 18 years old. To that I say, I made the worst decisions of my entire life when I was 18. I thought I knew it all when I knew absolutely SQUAT.

Denied the ability to recruit? lol. Thank GOD my kids aren't anywhere near 18 or anywhere near your recruiters.

Kinda makes you wonder what kind of decision they'd make if you
didn't control their choices though, huh?

SOB · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:52:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I've worked in recruiting offices and they request from schools class lists. Usually these lists just has name, addr, and phone number on them. THe military uses these lists for "cold calling" That's calling every name on the list to try and set up appointment interviews.

That's not unreasonable.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2005, 04:55:50 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
That's not unreasonable.

That's what I'm saying. Basically what I can assume is that we used to get these lists in a print out, they probably now go into some database and get accessed by computer instead of having huge file cabinates and folders. The fact that they are storing this stuff in a database to me is just modernization.