HK USP 45 fans check this ou!

[joowenn]

Its all about whatchu brung.

[lazs2]

mav is not wrong.. the plastic gun is better than the 1911 for the majority of the troops... it is not however as accurate as say a Kimber...  The difference is not worth mentioning tho.

The 1911 has the best trigger of any semi auto... It also is hard to work on for most people or even clean.  For the few who would be able to use it's better features it is still the best.

I am glad to see the berreta go... the HK is a wonderful gun... I don't want one for me tho...  I have too damn many guns and now I shoot the ones that I like...I don't like the HK much.. It doesn't look good or feel good and I have no pride of ownership (no grin factor) in the plastic guns... I don't have enough time to shoot the guns I like.

So for me... It's not really a matter of what is "best" but what I enjoy..  Heck... My cut down 44 mag redhawk get's shot a lot more than my Kimber..

lazs

[storch]

Originally posted by Maverick
At the risk of being branded a heretic, the 1911 ain't perfect for combat.

In it's day when it was cutting edge it was the best there was. Now with better designs out there (think double action and hi cap mags) with just as much accuracy as a MATCH 1911. The time for the 'ol "rattle trap" has passed.

lalalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you you heretic, you could use one of the excellent 1911 clones.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Size is always an issue.  If it's too big for you, it isn't going to work.

Doesn't matter if you conceal it or not.

Yer so full of watermelon man.  Stop posting your ignorance in here.  

Karaya

[lasersailor184]

Ok, I'll stop posting about guns, especially since I own many and have fired many more.


I obviously know nothing.

[GRUNHERZ]

I like to shoot a good tuned custom 2-3lbs trigger 1911 more than anything and I'm more accurate with them than my USP, however I think some of the "1911 is perfect" crowd overlook the amount of maintence, cleaning,  overhauls etc the tight tuned 1911 guns require just to shoot at the range let alone what kind of armorers support they would require in the field issued in volume to soldiers who have much better things to do thabn religiously clean sidearms.

And please stop this sillyness about the USP being big, its the same size or smaller than any fukll size 1911 and much much lighter whiile holding more rounds. The only area where a 1911 is "smaller" is width and grip, and this new HK45 design adresses that by being much thinner in grip, frame and slide than the USP.

[Maverick]

Laser, is partially correct. I say partially as a gun that is designed properly with ergonomics in mind will fit most adult hands. If you simply put up a gun with a double stack mag, the same thickness walls of the grip as a single stack and don't trim things, chances are it WILL be too large to handle effectively for a significant number of shooters.

Best example oof a weapon that is over large for some shooters is the Air Force retaining the .38 for female Security Police Officers with smaller hands.

I use that example as it is a confirmation that one gun will NOT fit all. It's a simple part of reality that a double stack mag creates a thicker grip than a single stack. A longer cartridge creates a longer distance from grip to trigger and the inability to be able to fully curl your fingers around the grip. The .45 is a good compromise for length but does create a problem for double stack mags.

A good design will take the dimension of the weapon and grip size of the "average" hand and work to fit it.  Soldiers don't come in just one size and the weapon should work for most of them if designed properly.

FWIW I am also a fan of the .45, just not in the 1911 format for combat operations. It's a good combat cartridge with a proven history and far far better than the nato round, particularly in the ball form.

[GRUNHERZ]

Thats one of the advantages of a polymer frame, the grip can be quite thin even with a double stack because you dont need a steel grip wall and then seperate grip plates like on a 1911 doublestack clone.

I think the prefect combination would be a slim polymer frame with a steel magazine, which this HK45 seems to have.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Ok, I'll stop posting about guns, especially since I own many and have fired many more.


I obviously know nothing.

A Duty weapons size CANNOT be compared to a Concealed Carry weapon size, you did.   You've obviously never carried a duty weapon.   I own a full size USP 45.   The grip of the "double stacked" 45 is NOT as large as everyone has made it out to be.  Maybe if someone of you HELD it, you'd see that.   Clearly, this .45 would be carried in a tactical thigh holster where "barrel length" is a non-issue.  

Also, the MARGINAL better shot groups of a Kimber to a HK, Glock, Sig, etc is just that, MARGINAL.  It is a non-factor.  I know one thing, the Beretta is a first rate piece of chit, I've never fired one that HASN'T stovepipe.   IMO, a Beretta is better used thrown at the perp, than fired.  

Again, laser, take your ignorance elsewhere.

Karaya

PS - Aside from the fact that the Mark 23 is still used.

[lasersailor184]

I'd suggest for you to read over this post again.  Failing that, I'd also suggest for you to go through grammar school again.


Not once did I say that it was too big for concealed carry.  Not once did I say that it shouldn't be used because it couldn't be concealed.


Though, I am using basic english.  I'm not expanding on my words or using much of my collegiate lined vocabulary.  I seriously hope you can follow this.

[g00b]

I say screw it. Just go to the .50 cal Desert Eagle as standard issue. It will inspire fear in the hearts of terrorists. Imagine a whole army equipped with these things.

1911 is a great weapon, why do they keep trying to re-invent it?

g00b

[Maverick]

Originally posted by g00b
I say screw it. Just go to the .50 cal Desert Eagle as standard issue. It will inspire fear in the hearts of terrorists. Imagine a whole army equipped with these things.

1911 is a great weapon, why do they keep trying to re-invent it?

g00b

Well following your logic, the Brown Bess was a fine weapon as well but it is not really suitable for current combat siuations is it. I'd say the M-16 with all it's foibles is a far better re invention of it.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'd suggest for you to read over this post again.  Failing that, I'd also suggest for you to go through grammar school again.


Not once did I say that it was too big for concealed carry.  Not once did I say that it shouldn't be used because it couldn't be concealed.


Though, I am using basic english.  I'm not expanding on my words or using much of my collegiate lined vocabulary.  I seriously hope you can follow this.

"Size is always an issue. If it's too big for you, it isn't going to work.

Doesn't matter if you conceal it or not."

Enlighten someone else with your ignorance.  

Karaya

[lasersailor184]

Ignorance, is that your catch word for the day?  Do you just throw it around without actually knowing what it means?

Doesn't matter if you conceal it or not.

To anyone with a 4th grade education, that means that the factor of concealment does not matter.

Then again, you proved you don't have an education.

[GRUNHERZ]

Laisersailor is just trying to tell us that his girly hands are too small to grip the USP45f...

Geez..