Author Topic: RTBing in a no kill fighter ? (Read 1515 times)

SuperDud · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2005, 11:25:44 AM »

I auger constantly! My score is terrible

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2005, 11:27:11 AM »

In thinking about the no score in the Main Arcade.

I think rank in there means little.

But I wonder if no score wouldn't bring about even more strange behaviors. Like taking a LA7 and vulching a field, and you are the only one on your side near that field. Basically just dive in to vulch and die.

HO's would definately increase.

We had an unreal number of vulchers in fighter town last night. We are now flying Rook. Lots of Knit and Bish vulchers, and bombers. So when the chance came, I vulched their field. I do so love paybacks. It was hard to survive all the HO's in there also.

I guess my point is that taking away any ranking system, no matter what, would take away what little controls we have in the MA.

Which on second thought, may not be a bad thing.

Screw the rank, let God sort'em out!

GooseAW · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2005, 11:59:44 AM »

Land it if you can! It's part of the immerssion (spelling?) for me. I try,to some degree to fly it like it's real, real pain etc.. Augering on purpose, other than on squad nights, is the epitomy of gamey if you ask me. Might as well go play galaga or something.

SkyRock · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2005, 12:05:06 PM »

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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
In thinking about the no score in the Main Arcade.

I think rank in there means little.

*agree*

But I wonder if no score wouldn't bring about even more strange behaviors. Like taking a LA7 and vulching a field, and you are the only one on your side near that field. Basically just dive in to vulch and die.

*This happens all the time, just watch Shane! hee hee*

HO's would definately increase.

*Happens all the time, just engage any nik or hurri or 110.*

We had an unreal number of vulchers in fighter town last night. We are now flying Rook. Lots of Knit and Bish vulchers, and bombers. So when the chance came, I vulched their field. I do so love paybacks. It was hard to survive all the HO's in there also.

*If someone jumped off the goden gate bridge would you follow them?*

Screw the rank, let God sort'em out!

*Now your gettin it!:D*

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:58:49 PM »

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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Personally I land every sortie that is landable. Augering on purpose just doesnt exist in my world. Though I can get my self into stooopid situations which there is no getting out of and I hate my self for it every time I do that. This doesnt mean Im timmid just that I feel every sortie that I dont land is a failed one.

Tex

Grits · « **Reply #20 on:** November 17, 2005, 09:21:49 PM »

What does RTB mean?

<---Teh King of teh Auger

pellik · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2005, 12:38:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
What does RTB mean?

<---Teh King of teh Auger

retarded turn&burn?

running the bomb?

rub the boob?

No idea, actually.

Shane · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2005, 02:26:49 AM »

RTB = Run To Buddies...

gatt · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2005, 03:58:15 AM »

Too many players give a bad image of the RTB(ase) policy. Even many skilled players seem to do it.

Everyone choose his playing style, and RTB is one of them. Generally speaking, not better or worst than others. *IMO*, RTBing most of the sorties is a good thing and has great influence on the preceding dogfights/engagements.

For many RTB'ing means timid players, cherrypicking, opportunism, engaging with alt advantage, B&Z or Hit&Run tactics. I for one think that these techniques need patience, skills and on the other side often low K/T and K/S. However, many players would like to see K-4, D-9, P-51 (etc.etc.) used in low level furballs. Any other use of such a/c means lack of skills.

Even with the actual plane set the medium low furballs seem the preferred choice of many, no matter which plane is used. It is a good indication of the quality of the Main.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2005, 04:50:28 AM »

Regarding timidity Id like some opinions.

Say this is the situation. Ive got a enemy 4k away to the west, enemy base in that direction as well, my base is to the east (distance 10 miles). Ive got fuel for 15 miles.

This means that Ive got the option to engage IF I can kill the enemy quickly. Though it means ofsetting my self towards the enemy base and possibly exposing me to more hostiles. ANother aspect is that the enemy might draw me further to his base meaning I wount have fuel to RTB.

In this situation I would ALWAYS rtb. Though if he follows and I will engage him near my base because I know Ive got the fuel to land it.

Do you guys call this timid?

Tex

Blooz · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2005, 05:28:54 AM »

It's not timid, it's just smart flying.

There is no penalty for dying in AH (other than losing perks for losing perk planes). In order to achieve high rank, all you need to do is fly fast, shoot straight and die fast.

You can have 400 kills, 1000 deaths and be ranked in the top 100. You just have to get those kills fast.

RTBing is just a time waste to those on the high rank path to glory. Dive into a furball, get a few kills and die fast so you can mindlessly up and do it again is the key to their success.

Makes for poor pilots though. They don't learn how to stay alive because they don't want to and don't have to. It's detrimental to what they are trying to achieve.

For me the object of the game is to inflict damage on the enemy while staying alive. This keeps it exciting for me and is a huge challenge and you'll never see me ranked anywhere near the top 100 because of it.

gatt · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2005, 05:54:12 AM »

More ... generally speaking again, if you dont care about RTB, you dont care much about fuel (using instead the drop tank + 25% fuel "technique"), you dont care about higher dots coming from enemy bases, you dont care if your next kill means a death, you (probably) care less about your wingie. You get the more kills you can, *inside the furball*, not caring about any "windows" to disengage. I have seen exceptional furballers getting many kills staying *into* the ball for all the time, not caring about exit strategy and finally getting shot down, kudos to them.

Just the opposite if you do care about RTB: you have an (average) fuel load higher than your opponents, you disangage (and reposition) more often, you need a faster a/c, you have to modify all the fight in order to get out and RTB. Its all a different strategy.

Both are interesting, I for one like to get back just to feel that a mission has been accomplished. But its only my opinion.

Schatzi · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2005, 05:54:45 AM »

I guess if you dont care about k/d then augering and reupping will get you into a new fighter fastest.

Myself, i usually try to RTB, given the chance (90% of the time i dont get that chance anyway - probably because im not smart and leave when i have the chance to). I dont like blowing up a lovely Hurri for no reason at all. And RTB in Hurri can mean a 15 min flight back home. But that doesnt mean i wouldnt auger if need be (call for DA, Squaddie asking, RL demands).

Rank. RANK?? OMG *runsandhidesinshame*.......

bj229r · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2005, 06:34:20 AM »

I just can't stomach dying when it can be avoided...just dweeby. There is something fundamentally wrong in a place that tries to simulate real life combat, augering ur La7 when ya run out ammo and getting another one:mad:

jaxxo · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2005, 10:37:05 AM »

Ill auger if i have no kills and no gas..or i pick the wrong plane..loadout..or other..or no one is upping from enemy field..or 50 friendlies are vulching...or i dont feel like flying home....but most of the time I stay until I die anyway..my pursuit of a good fight ALWAYS lands me in bad odds..i just wave to the 5 friendlies over my head at 7k circling for the cherry while im fighting...my inevitable death is welcomed warmly by me..mostly to drown out the endless 6 calls racking my headset by my "wingmen".

EOR