Author Topic: Why I dont think the Spit XVI should be perked (Read 2896 times)

Morpheus · « **Reply #30 on:** November 19, 2005, 04:39:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Golfer
fine then...be better than him.

Slinging mud doesn't do anything but make you stink. He says he'll puffy your eye, laugh at the absurdity of such a statement and write him off as an internet tough guy rather than say he puffys peters or something silly.

Every thread degenerating into a blueknight vs batfink witfest is getting old...especially when I want to read about aces high in the aces high part of the forum.

noted ty

Zazen13 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 19, 2005, 04:41:00 PM »

The Spit16 converted alot of Lgay twinks, that alone made the game better. Leave it unperked so long as the Lgay is un-perked. The simple fact is the majority will fly whichever plane they perceive is the easiest as it conforms to their aptitudes and preferred fighting style, the wider the variety of ez-mode planes we have the more diverse the airplane demographic in the MA will be, which is always a good thing. If you go and perk the few great rides that would otherwise just be marginal perk rides you will do nothing but herd everyone into the few ez mode rides that are, for whatever reason, left unperked, killing the diversity.

I for one don't mind any plane in the MA, I just don't want to see 10 times the number of any plane over the others as was the problem with the Lgay. The novelty will wear off on the Spit16 in a few weeks and it will fall into the 5-8% kill rate of the other uber un-perked rides.

Zazen

Golfer · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2005, 04:42:22 PM »

Edited my posts...

SirLoin · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2005, 04:46:40 PM »

The SpitXVI should be perked at least as much as CHOG...don't want to say why cause that would be giving it away.

in the mean time..HORRIDOOOO!:D

mechanic · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2005, 04:59:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus

his comparisons are so out of wack that you wouldnt have to know much about aviation to begin with to know he's a complete fool to make the comparisons he has.

the sopwith camel was noted for its exceptional manouverability, but I imagine something like the pitts special (another bipe for the comparison) would make the sopwith seem very low rate.

my comparison used that fact to describe the spit16 making the old spit5 seem very low rate and no longer needed.

why do some people always read things the way the want to and not think for a second?

there, this time you got a quote and a reply!! w00t quah!! quah! wooowoo got one hooked!

keep trying really hard, in between hurling abuse at other decent people and one day you might even force me to take action agaisnt you for a second time.

i hoped that if i made myself such an easy target so regularly you would get bored of doing it but i was wrong. i leave it for a bit then first post you nail me again.

its so sad the enjoyment you get out of such a meaningless challenge as fooling with someone who offers themself on a plate (clown photo, reply after reply to flames) to be ridiculed.

Kermit de frog · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:09:57 PM »

Are the bks gone yet?

Great, back to the subject now.

The la7 is faster than the spit16 and accelerations seem to be the same.
Sit 16 has a great roll rate and the stick stirrers seem to have caught on about that and now use it to benefit them, just like the 190a5/8's. But a great roll rate also allows you to change directions very quickly plus it should be a great scissor fighter.

Overall, I'd like to see the la7's with a tiny perk value, or at least, a low eny value if it doesn't have one already. The la7 can dive out of a fight at anytime. Even an la7 can outturn a tempest in the flats.
Conclusion, the spit16 is overall better than the spit14. The la7 is better than the spit16. Using that logic, the perk system may need to be adjusted again.
Although, whatever HTC does, I will stand with them.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:12:36 PM »

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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
Hey let's explore the Dressing up as a Clown part again.

Undated photo of BBQ-Bob and two Unknighted pilots showing off their new flight suits.

ack-ack

mechanic · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:14:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus

I would never want him to stop posting here. For it is him in my presence that makes me feel that much better about being me.

wow, missed this one.....LOL.....couldnt of said it better myself dikwad,

you NEED me and other like me to make your life seem better.

in case you care, within two years i hope to be living in a monestry in the himmies to study the life craft of these wise people. I, morpheus, am perfectly and 100% totaly satisfied within myself to the degree where i could live my life alone without seeing another soul and not have a bad day.

you need me, i just pity you.

I always enjoyed your stupid games, what really shook me was that you managed to get an entire squad almost into your manipulative little world. here is the bit where i say ' i know your type'. you talk big and could probably bullchit your way to a good wage and flatulant life, but if the crap really hit the fan you would cry for help. you're like cartman but without the genius. in fact your like that kid from one of the national lampoon films that buys his younger brother a hooker.

so,please continue, if i can service you on thse boards for the time i live in your society then i will endevour to bite even your weakest trolls, for i see the benifit in your life from my minimal effort.

I am glad that i can help.

you say my life is a joke?

let me ask you this, what is the meaning of your life?

answer me that and i will grant you another week of replies.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:27:19 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
in the spit16 you can chase a lala for a little while, or turn fight and own a zeke. its uber and probably deserves a perk, but so do many other planes that are not so im in two minds. It's clearly the replacement for the spit5 enthusiasts. The 8 is far more like a spit5 in true performance, but our aceshigh spit16 is just aas good as the old spit5, if not better with the roll rate and engine. it flatturns a little slower, and stalls about 5mph faster but its overall performance i would rate as the best in the entire game, with out a doubt.

if the old spit5 could be compared to a sopwith camel, this new spit16 would be a pitts special.

Your perception of the Spitfire XVI is a little to gracious and off the mark. Yes, it's got an exceptional climb rate and acceleration and rolls almost as good as an A series FW190 but these things come at a price. The negatives is a decreased turning radius as a result of the clipped wings (it's great roll rate comes at a price) and less than stellar high and low speed handling. Performance also decreases at medium and high altitudes. It is best flown as a E fighter, using E tactics such as Boom N Zoom passes or high speed passes and then use it's acceleration and climb rate to get you out of guns range after your pass. Like the XIV, it's not a turn fighter like the IX and other Spitfires and that is the mistake almost everyone that flies it makes.

And I also think the XIV shouldn't be perked either.

ack-ack

mechanic · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2005, 05:30:02 PM »

honestly sir, with all due respect, i dont think you have flown it as much as i have if you are giving such a text book respone.

i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.

we could go into films and explaining moves but its really just my opinion vs yours still.

to clarify even more i will state, the spit16 is just a notch less effective as a turn fighter as the mkV, but it is miles ahead in all aspects of dogfighting than the mk9 ever was or will be *in aces high*

wipass · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:02:14 PM »

Mechanic/Batfink

Your just pissed the BJK's never invited you in to their thinga me bob

I live next to an Airport, and I can fly like fe(k too, In fact I once jumped out of an Aircraft that was still flying and beat it to the ground which means that I have better flight characteristics, shame on tnat C130.

Before you say so, I don't particularly like Morpheus, but at least he makes sense (ok I may be losing it) ok, some sense !

wipass

Morpheus · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:11:51 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic

i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.

It is comments like this that kill any and all integrity of what you have to add.

There is not a snow balls chance in hell that with equal pilots fighting in a low and slow turn fight, that the spit16 will win. The only way this will happen is if the zeek augers on the merge. Other than that, if both commit 110% to a turn fight, forget about it, the zeek is going to eat the spit16 for breakfast, lunch and dinner, then watermelon it out and do a dance around it's digested fecal remnants.

Now stop trolling with your chitty misinforming bullchit and add something useful. Or stfu.

BBQ_Bob · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:18:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Undated photo of BBQ-Bob and two Unknighted pilots showing off their new flight suits.

ack-ack

Hey that's funny but this was emailed to us with the subject line...

"ack ack's offical squad photo"

Kev367th · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:25:34 PM »

Perk the XVI...yawn.

Shouldn't compare the XVI to the XIV, totally different animals designed to fight at different alts. Ditto for our IX, its the Merlin 61 med/high alt version.

You'll only catch a Lala in a dive from higher up than him.

No way it turns as well as a Zeke.

Funny -
1) Take a 1943 LF IX.
2) Put the same motor in, but one that was manufactured in the USA. (Merlin 266 was USA produced Merlin 66)
3) Give it an 'e' wing.
4) Change the Mk number because of the retooling needed for USA measurements. This is the reason it wasn't left as a Mk IX designation.
5) Wait for the perk the Spit whines.

In other words, remove the 'e' wing on it and replace it with a 'universal' wing you have a 1943 LF IX, exactly the same performance.
No reason to perk what is a 1943 LF IX with an 'e' wing.

If it was, it would make what is essentially performance wise for a Spit (1943), the earliest perked plane in the game by a long way.

Dont get me wrong though.
You will see a lot of VIIIs and XVIs because for the MA (low alt furballs) they are better suited than the IX and the XIV.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2005, 06:52:17 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
honestly sir, with all due respect, i dont think you have flown it as much as i have if you are giving such a text book respone.

i stand by my statement: you can chase a lala for a limited time only, and you can certainly outmanouver a zeke low n slow no problem.

we could go into films and explaining moves but its really just my opinion vs yours still.

to clarify even more i will state, the spit16 is just a notch less effective as a turn fighter as the mkV, but it is miles ahead in all aspects of dogfighting than the mk9 ever was or will be *in aces high*

Get into a low speed turn/stall fight with a Zero/Zeke and you'll see how quickly you'll be sent to the tower. Better yet, show us a film of you in a low speed/stall fight with one in a XVI.

I have fought against numerous XVI's and not one of them has been able to stick with my P-38J in a low speed turn fight when the speed has dipped below 150mph IAS or slower. A Spitfire XIV has a better turning ability than the XVI. Those clipped wings come at a price.

ack-ack