LCD monitors and AH is 0 ghosting possible?

[Pollock]

I recently sold my 19" sony trinitron, and went with a 19" LCD.  Having played AH for 2 weeks with an LCD I now wish I could get back my crt.  I am not experiencing the fluid play I have been accustomed to for years.

I am seeing trails from planes and when i pan fast with my head my screen blur images slightly.  This must be the "ghosting" problem I have read about.  I find this unnaceptable for game play so I started researching online about lcds and it seams that the faster the response time the less ghosting or blurring you will see.

My current lcd has a 12ms reponse time.  So I am shopping again for something that will have near "0" ghosting and blurring.  I have been doing research online and it seams that lcd monitors are judged on how they handle FPS games like halflife, doom etc.

With that said I am curious to what you guys use and how they perform for Aces High.  I see they have LCDs that have response times of 4ms with new ones out this year rated at 2ms. I wonder if AH is more or less demanding than first person shooters?

My budget is around 325 for the monitor,  I would be willing to drop to 17 incher if I can get crt like performance.

[CYLONN]

Just returned Sony HS95P  19" LCD because it had major ghosting effect in AH. This monitor is rated excellent for gaming because of the 12ms seek time, but there is no comparison to the image quality of a CRT for gaming, especially in AH.  FYI, this monitor cost $600 w/$100 rebate.  Nice one for desktop apps, but little else.

View Sonic has a 19" w/ 8ms seek time, but I'm willing to bet that the technology just isn't capable of delivering yet.

Stick with a CRT, you can get great deals on them now.

[Eagler]

my 930B Samsung LCD is 8ms with a ati 9800 pro
it is great in AH for everything but the closest/fastest a2a fights - then I can see slight smear/ghosting compared to my old 19" sony crt

[SunKing]

What spec do you look for in a LCD? I'm about to buy two for online poker? What stat is this response timing you are talking about?

[Curval]

Pollock...what cable are you connecting the monitor to the computer with?

If you are using the regular analog cable try a DVI cable.  The problems you see could be due to the fact that the signal from the monitor is being translated from digital to analog and back to digital.  DVI cables make all that unecessary...straight digital all the way.

When I bought my Dell Gen 4 I had the choice of a 19inch CRT or a 17inch LCD.  I chose the CRT...I've read Skuzzy's opinions on LCDs and figured that I may as well stick with what he considers to still be better for AH based on what is currently available.

I wasn't sure I'd made the right decision until I had a fellow gamer over to my place to check out the new computer.  He was amazed at the clarity of my CRT.

[whels]

my NEC 1760V  15 ms was great for AH very slight to none on ghosting, it was a 17" LCD.

i just got a viewsonic x924 19" 4ms, i think i see more ghosting but maybe its less but seems more cause its bigger.  also ive had to change alot
of things in my computer the last month and somethings might not be right.  

so the jury is still out on the 19"  but i like it over all, playing AH it doesnt give me a problem.

whels

[Pollock]

Curval,  already using the dvi port

[Curval]

Originally posted by Pollock
Curval,  already using the dvi port

rog...just a thought.

[llama]

Originally posted by Curval
Pollock...what cable are you connecting the monitor to the computer with?

I wasn't sure I'd made the right decision until I had a fellow gamer over to my place to check out the new computer.  He was amazed at the clarity of my CRT.

Tell me about it.

I am the only person at LAN parties these days who still lugs a 30-pound, flat-screen, 19-inch CRT to the festivities. I am fortunate to have a strap/handle setup that wraps around the montor and makes transporting it no tougher than moving a big duffle-bag around.

Anyway, I can always count on at least two or three people walking up to my rig, looking at the display, and then asking with wonderment "Wow, what video card you do you have in there?"

And here's the thing: I have a mere ATI Radion 9800XT running at 1024x768 with very mild anti-aliasing turned on. On a Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz. In one of those tiny SFF "shoebox" computers.

I tell you, the ability of a quality CRT to display a fantastic image is NOT to be underestimated. For serious gaming, I would still NOT use an LCD display.

(That said, I fly Aces High on an LCD projector. I've never noticed tearing or ghosting on it before. Colors don't look nearly as great as on the CRT.)

-Llama

[Skuzzy]

I am with llama on this one.  The best LCD display on the market will look worse than a good CRT during gaming.  CRT's have been color saturation, better contrast, better black levels, and better resolution choices.

The faster the LCD decay rate (speed of the LCD), the lower the color saturation.  No matter how fast the LCD is, it will never be as fast as a phosphor dot in a CRT.  The techology inherently prohibits that type of speed.

[ALF]

While a good CRT has its benefits, I find a good LCD to be worth the trade offs.  One issue thats often overlooked is that the fastest LCD panels often have lower color depth.  So you generally cant have a 5ms LCD and do good photoshop on it:cry

The true holy grail will be 2-3 years from now(hopefully) when they work out OLED issues and/or the next gen LCDs.  Right now LCD are a workable compromise, and I find them much better in a day in day out look at me 15 hours straight enviroment.

[RedDg]

Dave,

I've had the Dell 2001 FP 20" for about 18 months and it's fantastic for AH.  I'm sure there are some good deals on it now.  Oh, and the new TrackIR4 Pro sensors are designed to fit on the flat panel monitors

Dell 2001 FP

[MrRiplEy[H]]

RedDg some reviews seem to disagree:

NOT a gaming monitor
by angrykid,Dec 25 '04
Pros: Great ergonomics, outstanding for graphic/video work.
Cons: Virtually useless as a gaming display. Stick with a CRT.
If you buy this monitor with the intent of playing fast-paced, multiplayer FPS (Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, etc.) look elsewhere. Extremely disappointing performance - the ghosting is wretched and the choppiness makes playing almost impossible. Too bad, for a monitor that touts a 16ms prt.

I have returned mine to Dell for a refund.

On the other hand - for graphics, photo work, CAD, DVD/video, it is as good as it gets.

It's weird how large differences in opinnion there can be. Is it possible that individual monitors are so different?

Btw I'm one of those who are willing to overlook the downsides of TFT's. My eyes have become over sensitive to screen flicker on tubes.

[Pollock]

A quick follow up.  I went with 19 inch samsung model 930B one dead pixel

I should play tonite so we shall see...

[humble]

I had a 19" llyama pro that went kaput and got a 19 in Sceptre X9 "gaming" LCD. I've been very very pleasantly suprised. It's obviously no where near as sharp as a CRT but it has zero ghosting in AH or any other game I play (not many...usually call of duty II right now). Only thing might be a bit different is its a very bright LCD (400/cd?)

Did a search and found a number of reviews similiar to my experience....

"I just went to a 19" 12ms (1280x1024) LCD, the X9 Gamer from Sceptre. I was so impressed with the picture quality, I bought another one for the kids.

Same reasons as some other posters. I've been looking for over year waiting for the response time to come down so that games and video come out clear without ghosting. With the 8ms ones coming out the 12 and 16ms are diving in price. I checked a 16ms at a local CC (a Sony) and could still catch a glimpse of ghosting. Then I saw a 12ms (forget the brand) at Best Buy and was finally sold.

Between the aesthetic (great picture), ergonomic (less space) and economic (ALOT less power) I finally took the dive. I spent $385 (Newegg, of course) on them, about $85 more than what I wanted to but between the response time, the size and all the inputs I felt it was worth going over the budget.

They're replacing a 21" and 20" CRTs immediately, and, both rooms will soon be without a TV as well (that'll help defray the cost a bit). I've hooked up the consoles (a gamecube -me- and an XBOX -the kids-) to the s-video input and the view is great. It’s been two weeks and still not a dead/stuck pixel. Looks like it'll be smooth sailing.

The transition time is now. LCD is ready for everyday computing and video. We finally have crisp text and smooth video in one."

Saw it on Diger Direct for under $300 after rebate....assuming of course you get it:)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details-print.asp?EdpNo=1179159&Sku=S197-1916

I've had mine for about a year and its a great value....