Hi,
Originally posted by Larry
Umm wasnt the Ta152 made for high alt and high speed flight. Dont know why it would want to fly slow while trying to fight.
Spechialy at high alt the planes fly with very slow speed IAS! And IAS(indicated airspeed) is the speed where plane performences good below supersonic are related to.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Something I've always found to be terribly amusing here. Why is it everyone attempts to make direct comparisons using simple wingloading data and ignores airfoil profile and shape, aspect ratio, and a host of other factors that COMBINE to give the actual wing of an aircraft its characteristics?
Using a simple and crude formula of weight per square foot of wing area is so incomplete as to be totally useless. No wonder there are so many misconceptions and false assumptions. It is simply impossible to get an honest and direct comparison by simply dividing gross weight by the area of the wing.
Yep, thats it, thats why i use 25% or 50% fuel while comparisons and always talk about the aspectratio and dragload, next to the enginepower.
Straffo, are you kidding?? 800yard is nothing, you should try to set your convergence to max, with short convergence settings its realistic difficult(maybe the convergence settings should get limited to real used distances distances?).
With the MK108 its more difficult on this long distances, but if you shoot witha 190A8(2 x 30mm, 2 x 20mm), in 80% of all cases the 30mm will hit and bring down the enemy. The 30mm was the only reason to take the 109G6 over the 109G2, now the G6 with its much more bad performence can get deleted. The MK108, with its very poor Muzzvel, wasnt realy usable while a turnfight, it was a real 'bomber weapon'.
btw, here is your 800yard kill film(4 x .50cal P51B):
50cal_800yard_killThis is made offline with only 4 x 50cal, with very low speed (unstable gunplattform) and the target is turning a bit(online, when the the planes need to fly strait to keep energy, its much more easy, i can get kills on 1000+ and i often get killed on 1.5k displayed, lag included).
Here is a P47 1000+ kill:
50cal_800yard_killThis is was my 1st try, the P51B film was my 2nd try, i never did test this offline and rarely did try this with a so big deflection on this distances online, nice to know its possible. lol
Why the target always explode is a miracle anyway, AP amo should have problems to do this.
btw, the USAF gave the .50cal a max theoretical effective range of 900yard and a max practical effective range of 300yard.
Therefor the convergence setting of this guns was in general on 200-300yard.
To show the strange dragload setting of the La7 in AH you also can make deceleration tests. Use a 190D9, a 109K4 and a La7, accelerate at sea level to around 350mph, push X (autoleveler) and cut down the throttle to zero. Take a stopclock and count the time from 300mph to 200mph.
As result i get the K4 as fastest decelerating plane(around 17,5sec), then the 190D9 with around 18,5sec and then the La7 with around 19sec.
Looks like the 1000kg and the resulting inertia, which limit the climb of the 190´s so much, dont count while decelerating. The 109K had next to the more streamlined engine also a smaler wingarea, therfor i guess its drag wasnt more big than that of the La7, while it had more weight, so the faster deceleration looks strange too.
Ok ok, now you will call me Luftwhiner again, so we do the same with the P51D, and, what shal i say, the heavy lady with its so high praised semi laminar airfoil decelerate only a bit more slow than the 109K4.
So the plane with the by far smalest wingload, and since the wingload is a pretty good indicator for the dragload(next to the form of the engine, while a radial engine in general dont provide the best drag while gliding), the plane with probably the smalest dragload decelerate most slow, and this at speeds where the AoA particular show a minus value(gunsight below the horizon), so the wingload isnt a factor.
All the planes had 25% fuel while this test, now i took the 109G2 with 100% fuel, so it has around 50kg more weight than the La7, while the wingarea is more smal and for sure the drag too.
Deceleration of the G2 is around 16sec!! Btw, the K4 only have 50kg more weight, but decelerate much more slow, althought its drag should be pretty similar to the G2.
Anyway, iam sure all this is pretty well known(at least i know what i do if i create a FM/DM), thats why i think proofs are not needed and thats why i did offer a simple wish.
Greetings, Knegel
