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Offline StSanta

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« on: September 26, 2001, 02:54:00 PM »
The Swedes beat the US to having an operational 4th generation fighter. Not only that, they also beat them on having such a one capable of supercruise:
 http://www.gripen.saab.se/news/pdf/GN1_01.PDF

Page 2, 3rd column:

"Gripen is supersonic at all altitudes and can cruise supersonically with an external load including fuel tank, four AMRAAM and two Sidewinder missiles without the need to engage the afterburner"

Pretty nice.

Oh, they have a helmet mounted sight system on it now, for "look over shoulder look-n-shoot" capability. Much like the Russians do.

Of course, standard things like triplex fly-by-wire and glass cockpit with three colour MFD's is in there. And the datalink thingie that's becoming popular for sharing info.

Price the same as a new F-16C. But operating costs much lower at around $2500/h (including fuel and maintenance). That's about the lowest there is for a 4th generation fighter from what I read. 10 manhour of maintenance for every hour of flight isn't too bad either.

Fully loaded, it can easily operate at fields around 800m. On landings, it can be brought to a stop on less than 400 metres.

It's designed to run on rough airstrips or even roads, and naturally is designed for the harsh Swedish climate.

"Assuming fuel and weapons have been pre-positioned  (which is SOP for any operator) enough ground equipment to support 4 gripens can be carried by one C-130 Hercules."

"Once back at base - which might be just a stretch of roadway covered in snow, or sand - each aircraft can be refuelled and rearmed by its six strong aircrew and be back in the air in 10 minutes"

And these aircrew dudes are normal conscripts, not specialists.

New forms of ILS and navigation systems, incorporated into the aircraft, makes is self reliant in this way.

And the airframe is upgradeable - it was concieved when thrust vectoring was in its infancy. Once this technology becomes economically viable, the Gripen will have an airframe and FBW software that easily can be modified to use it.

The F-22 has stealth over the Gripen, but it'd be hard to compare the two as the premises for what the aicraft must do are quite different - the ripen is basically a fast multirole fighter and designed for quick launches and interceptions, due to the nature of Sweden's geography.

It's nice to see that it's not only the Americans that can make great aircraft  :).

Oh, and it's beautiful too:

 

Excellent visibility  :)

Gotta admit that the new light weight helmet they've developed looks kinda funny:

 

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2001, 03:02:00 PM »
Hasn't the Gripen been out for awhile?  or is this an upgraded model?  

Saab has been making great looking planes for some time now.   :)  They just happen to be damn good planes as well.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2001, 03:06:00 PM »
Oh yeah, it's been operational for quite a while. It's just been upgraded a little already  :).

Also been sold to South Africa and leased to Poland.

They were gonna sell it to Finland, but the Fins opted for the F/A-18, reportedly after quite heavy pressure from the Americans.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2001, 03:18:00 PM »
Yup, it's been out for a while, still one of the most advanced planes in the world, only bad thing about it is that it really isn't Stealth like the F22 or other 4:th generation fighters. Like Santa said, it was the first 4:th generation fighter, it can be used for most things including strikes, interception, recorgnisance, pure fighter etc. It's equiped with a 27mm cannon with 120 rounds, the gun fires by it self when the target is correct in the sight. It allso uses a nice system wich, when 2 or more planes work together, locks on to a target, sends it to the wingman, who's plane automaticly locks onto another target, thanks to this the pilots don't need to worry about targeting and getting the same target.

I visited one of the Gripen Squadrons 3 years ago, and it's great I must say, looked into the cockpit and it's just very very nice, the stick is extremely small (slighly shorter then the MS Sidewinder Stick). It's got backup systems of everything, inlcuding a little wheel for the throttle.

Plane is allso very durable, during one of the tests with it, it was flown threw a thunder storm, the computers stabelized it and the pilot described the ride as "slightly shaky". When the plane got out of the storm all color had fallen of due to shakes.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2001, 03:38:00 PM »
Still can't understand they went for the F18, there is another country (can't quite remember wich one) who was thinking about Gripen aswell, but went for F16(?!).

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »
F-18 has some good points Gripen doesn't have. One thing is F-18 is capable to VERY short landings using arrestor hook: If watermelon hits the fan you propably wouldn't find too many fighters from airfields 'cause they would be spreaded around highways. Landing gears made for rough carrier landings are good too. Another nice thing is two engines...

 

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2001, 04:07:00 PM »
Site with couple pics from landings on the streets with using hook: http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/satlsto/laivue/galleria/koukkuun.htm

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2001, 04:15:00 PM »
why does sweden need a airforce? they never fight any wars

well them wild finns ARE right their border

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2001, 04:19:00 PM »
The only thing I object to about the Grippen... It's a fediddlein SAAB fer crissakes!  ;)

Head to head; I think the SAAB's a better plane than the old FA/18.. however the newer 'Super' F18's with the cannards are supposed to be pretty damn good in an eyeball to eyeball situation. The biggest edge the F18 has nowdays is it's weapons package and BVR abilities... the "Made with pride in the USA" sticker on the dash is a big point in my book too.  :)

I had a blast flyin the Grippen in that old EF2K sim... thought it was a pretty slick bird, evil lookin and nimble as all getout. Hope NATO buys a buncha these things, as a land based econo/euro fighter it's got a lotta punch.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2001, 04:24:00 PM »
btw Hornet's takeoff takes less than 600m with normal A2A equipments and internal fuel, It climbs to 12km in couple minutes, landing takes 1000m without hook and 300m with hook.
Its also capable to super-cruise without afterburner thought I'm not sure what kind of payload it can carry in that situation.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
Cool
Working for Hughes Electronics I Built the HUD"S for the Jas-39 nice to see a pic of all my hard work  :D

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2001, 05:25:00 PM »
Aaah Santa. The Eurofighter will kick its bellybutton any day of the week.  :D

It has a funky helmet mounted sight thing too. It also has a voice activated command system.

Only the F-22 beats it in terms of survivability, and the Eurofighter beats that in terms of cost.  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2001, 06:04:00 PM »
Was just watching Wings the other day and they made mention of the Eurofighter's cost overuns meaning that it will most likely be similar in cost to the F-22.  The same was said of Mirage's latest effort.

Gimme an F-22 any day... I'd rather be invisible than cheap ;)

A show I watched displayed how you fight using your wingman's radar so that you don't have to turn yours on.  Combine that with stealth technology and that means you can be well within missile range prior to anyone having an idea you are there.  Shudder.

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2001, 06:17:00 PM »
Propably all modern "front-line fighters" have a data-link. Finns and Swedes were thinking to do one together but Finns were not satisfied Swedish plans and decided to build one their own if I remember right.