Author Topic: BMW advice att ripsnort (Read 1548 times)

Mustaine · « **Reply #45 on:** December 01, 2005, 02:28:03 PM »

just to pop in... my father has been a Caddy man for all his life, and riding in them i am too (though i can not afford them lol)

his last sedan (2003 model) was a pure joy to drive. i drove his wifes mercedes 500 and liked the caddy much much more. more "smooth" and gliding. you could barely tell you were moving. all the european and asian cars have that sporty feel that is ok sometimes, but nothing beat the comfort of the caddy. you can drive 8 hours and not have a bellybutton cramp in the caddy.

just my opinion.

ATA · « **Reply #46 on:** December 01, 2005, 04:08:27 PM »

There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #47 on:** December 01, 2005, 04:57:53 PM »

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Originally posted by ATA
There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.

Well 215 and 255hp engines aint nothing to be bragging about in a world of 300hp engines in the same class of car.

Drove the lexus today and with the 306hp engine it flat hauls butt!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #48 on:** December 01, 2005, 05:22:30 PM »

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Originally posted by ATA
There's nothing out there that handles,brakes,accelerates,looks,last like BMW.
Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.
Person that said BMW is underpowered is simply....i dont wanna say.

The handling more than makes up for lack of power (in the 2.5 liter) IMO. But I like curves better than straight out 0-60 acceleration. My 3.0 liter has 225 hp on a 3300 lb. frame, more than enough to get me in trouble....I had it up to 145 mph couple weeks ago on an early Sun morning on an empty I-90 between Issaquah and North Bend.

Still had 500 RPM before redline too.

ATA · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2005, 11:56:16 AM »

Even m54 with 2.5l generates what...183 hp?Enyone else can match that without dentist machine RPM or turbo/superchargers?

ATA · « **Reply #50 on:** December 02, 2005, 12:01:11 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Well 215 and 255hp engines aint nothing to be bragging about in a world of 300hp engines in the same class of car.

Drove the lexus today and with the 306hp engine it flat hauls butt!

Now try to test drive BMW 545i,you will forget about Lexus as soon as you take off in Bavarian machine.

ATA · « **Reply #51 on:** December 02, 2005, 12:02:13 PM »

Oh wait a minute it's BMW 550i now

Krusher · « **Reply #52 on:** December 02, 2005, 01:10:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Here might be a decent BMW...

It might carry some drywall.

Thats a pretty fancy way to haul drywall !

Skuzzy · « **Reply #53 on:** December 02, 2005, 01:14:17 PM »

Lexus does not have a car to compete against the BMW5 series. They only have a car to compete against the 3 series, which does it very well. And the 5 series would cost nearly $20,000 more than the IS-350.

ATA, you made an error about engine performance. Honda holds the record for most horsepower/litre for a normally asiprated mass production engine (there could be some boutique car builders who might better it).
Nissan also beats out BMW in the horsepower/litre race as well.

BMW is a fine automobile, and I would be foolish to argue that (anyone would be), but do not put aside Lexus as being anything less. Both marques have thier strengths and weaknesses.

I test drove a 330 before buying the IS-250. Why the IS? It out-handled the BMW and the interior appointments were simply better for me. I really do not see how anyone could go wrong with either car. It really boils down to personal preference after driving them.
Oh, and the BMW330 would have cost $10,000.00 more to get the same options as the Lexus has standard.

ATA · « **Reply #54 on:** December 02, 2005, 04:10:06 PM »

Honda makes it's horsepower by revving up their engines to 9000 rpm.,therefore they have no torque.
And Nissan,I'm not so sure.You proly right,but can you name one engine please,couse i cant really....you mean z350?
3.5l with 285 hp i believe..?
Compare to BMW S54 motor(e46m3),3.2l with 333hp.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #55 on:** December 02, 2005, 04:57:42 PM »

I do not consider the M family to be mass-produced, per se. I consider them more an after-market type of car as they are modified from a base version. And it does cost quite a bit more.
If you go into the after-market, things can get really wicked in a lot of automobile lines.

I did mis-speak about the Nissan 3.5 though. I meant the Lexus 3.5 litre which is good for 306HP (only version available right now). The Nissan 3.5 is good for 298HP.

Specifically though, the IS250 and 350 are designed to compete against the BMW330 and 330Ci.

In a nutshell:
Honda S2000: 110.2HP/litre (2.15 litre 4)
Lexus IS350: 87.4HP/litre (3.5 litre V6)
Infiniti G35 Coupe/Sedan: 85.1HP/litre (3.5 litre V6)
BMW330 Sedan: 84.9HP/litre (3.0 litre 6)

I threw the Honda in for giggles, but the other three are priced to compete against each other. The price of the M3 puts it out of competing against the others. We go after-market on all of them and they all get pretty scary.

Anyway, I was targeting these quotes from you:

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Even m54 with 2.5l generates what...183 hp?Enyone else can match that without dentist machine RPM or turbo/superchargers?

That engine produces 73.2HP/litre.

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Best engine output has BMW.Mercedes(and everybody else)has to install supercharger to get the same horsepower.

SOB · « **Reply #56 on:** December 02, 2005, 07:44:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
My 3.0 liter has 225 hp on a 3300 lb. frame, more than enough to get me in trouble....I had it up to 145 mph couple weeks ago on an early Sun morning on an empty I-90 between Issaquah and North Bend. Still had 500 RPM before redline too.

Somewhere there's a Curval shaking his fist and giving a disapproving look, and he prolly doesn't even know why.

moot · « **Reply #57 on:** December 02, 2005, 09:28:21 PM »

Could've sworn I'd seen 180hp/L stock production engines before...

Masherbrum · « **Reply #58 on:** December 02, 2005, 11:48:45 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
I went into a Lexus dealer and after standing around for 30mins with noone asking if I needed help I left.
The Is350 i speced out on there website was 40K.

I am now thinking of a Cadillac CTS-V with the 400hp vette motor in it 0-60 in under 5 seconds and still rides well.
Only one big problem 51K sticker now thats gonna be a hard sell to the wife.

Don't get the CTS-V. I know 4 people with them and the huge problem right now is: the rear diff. leaks. Don't waste yer money.

Karaya

ATA · « **Reply #59 on:** December 04, 2005, 12:21:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I do not consider the M family to be mass-produced, per se. I consider them more an after-market type of car as they are modified from a base version. And it does cost quite a bit more.
If you go into the after-market, things can get really wicked in a lot of automobile lines.

Well in this case Lexus,would be modified Toyota:).

No "M" cars have nothing in common with rest.They just look almost same.
They built by BMW from scratch.How can "M power" be aftermarket?

Dinan,Alpina........that's aftermarket