190F-8 bomb load?

[Krusty]

I was just flipping through a book and it mentioned that the F-8 could carry an 1800KG bomb on the centerline. This is the same as the Ju87, but I think the F8 would be FAR better suited to it. Just curious why we don't have this option in AH.

[1K3]

Yeah we should have that. Afterall  190F-8 was made to replace all Ju-87 fleets right?  

btw didnt 190F-8 carried a torpedo? (ok im asking too much )

[Krusty]

Neg, it was some form of the 190A, and was only for testing if I'm right.

But still, the Ju87 was obsolete at the start of the war (that's a fact). The 109 and 110 replaced it on the front lines, but the Fw190 did the job so much better. I don't see why we should have a Ju87 with a huge egg and not on the fw190f-8

(unless there's some reason it historically wasn't used?? If not please include it!)

[Charge]

"But still, the Ju87 was obsolete at the start of the war (that's a fact)."

Oh?

-C+

[Krusty]

It was used in poland to great effect but after that it was CLEARLY evident that it was obsolete, and couldn't be used anywhere unless the LW already had full air superiority.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Charge
"But still, the Ju87 was obsolete at the start of the war (that's a fact)."

Oh?

-C+

Obsolete doesn't mean "harmless".  The Fairey Swordfish was much more obsolete than the Ju87 and it sank more tones of Axis shipping than any other Allied torpedo plane.

[Squire]

I would say thats overstating it somewhat, the Ju87 was as modern a type as anything else in the early part of the war.

The IJN used the D3A Val at Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea and Midway. Fixed gear, like the Ju87.

SBD was supposedly "obsolete" too, yet it won all the important victories.

Swordfish too, yes, obsolete but still did a surprisingly good job.

But after 1942, sure, the dive bomber was getting long in the tooth and was being phased out by fighter-bomber designs that were more surviveable, Fw190F, Typhoon, F6F, P-47. However, for precision attack, and attacking capital ships, its hard to beat the accuracy of a dive bomber. Torp bombers do more damage, but they are fatally vulnerable to aaa and fighters. You wouldnt have gotten me in on of those things. Damn crews must have had ice water in their veins.

[SMIDSY]

the effectiveness of aircraft has little to do with the plane itself. it has far more to do with the pilots, and the tactics they use.

[storch]

the swordfish was effective principally because it was so slow. on the bismarck attack the german radar targeting and ranging equipment did not have a setting to accomodate it's low airspeed and it's tube and fabric construction didn't allow cannon rounds to detonate within it's fuselage/wings.  remember a spear is as old a weapon as man has and it can still be lethal today inspite of all the kevlar you could be wearing.

[Meyer]

Originally posted by Krusty
It was used in poland to great effect but after that it was CLEARLY evident that it was obsolete, and couldn't be used anywhere unless the LW already had full air superiority.

well, after that was widely used (and effectively) in France/Belgium/Netherlands, Balcans, mediterranium/Africa, and the URSS... and not always with full air superiority.

And 109s replacing Stukas?  that's new for me

[Larry]

Originally posted by Meyer
well, after that was widely used (and effectively) in France/Belgium/Netherlands, Balcans, mediterranium/Africa, and the URSS... and not always with full air superiority.

And 109s replacing Stukas?  that's new for me

A squad of jabo 109s is far better then ju87s because after they drop thier bombs they could fight thier way out instead of flying around like siting ducks. same goes for the 110s and 190s. The Ju87 was slow and could hardly defend its self. Thats why after BoB it was hardly ever used.

[Meyer]

Originally posted by Larry
 Thats why after BoB it was hardly ever used.

LOL  you better check that .

[Larry]

Ok then after BoB were did they use ju87s in numbers? After BoB they started to use them less and less because they were being replaced by better AC.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Meyer
well, after that was widely used (and effectively) in France/Belgium/Netherlands, Balcans, mediterranium/Africa, and the URSS... and not always with full air superiority.

 

 But Stuka was eficient antitank with BK 37mm , in the right hands


 

Hans Ulrich Rudel:

"Rudel logged 2,530 combat missions,

Rudel's personal victories as a ground-attack pilot were achieved exclusively against the Soviets, and despite the most primitive conditions imaginable, including operations solely from dirt, mud, and snow covered airfields, his confirmed victories (those witnessed by two or more fellow pilots) include:

518+ Tanks
700 Trucks
150+ Flak and Artillery positions
9 Fighter/Ground Attack Aircraft
Hundreds of bridges, railway lines, bunkers, etc.
Battleship October Revolution, Cruiser Marat, and 70 landing craft
Through direct action, he saved tens of thousands of German infantrymen from certain encirclement and annihilation during the long retreat which began in July 43 and lasted until the war's end, almost two years later.





Shot down 32 times."

  Lucky he survieved the war, and died in 1980:)

[Larry]

Like ghi said the 37mm Ju87 was great, but your the only one talking about that version. We are talking about the one that had bombs and only 7.9mms.