about Lancasters

[ghi]

Designation: Lancaster Type

Bomber Service Dates: 1941 to the late 1950s
Accommodation: Heavy-bomber which carried a crew of seven.
Power Plant: (Mk.l): Four 1,640-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin 24" engines.
(Mk.ll): Four 1,650-h.p. Bristol "Hercules Vl" engines.
Canadian (Mk.lll): Four 1,390-h.p. Packard "Merlin 224" engines.
(Mk.VI): Four 1,635-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin 87" engines.
(Mk.X): Four 1,280-h.p. Rolls-Royce "Merlin" engines.

Dimensions: Span, 102 ft. 0 in. Length, 72 ft. 2 in. Height, 20 ft. 0 in.
Weight: Gross, 68,000 lbs.
Performance: Max. speed, 287 m.p.h. at 1,500 ft.
Cruising speed, 210 m.p.h. Service ceiling, 24,500 ft... Range, 2,250 miles.



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I did't find anywhere specifications showing service ceiling over 24 000ft

 My question:
 
Lancs are the favotitte HQ busters for lot of players, i meet them at 30k +,many times outruning most of the fighter planes.

 Did they realy climb and perform soo well at 30k+, loaded with 14 000lbs !!?

[Karnak]

I'd guess it would depend on the fuel load, engines and props on it.

Keep in mind that RAF service ceilings are simply where the climb rate dropped to a certain point, not where it couldn't climb anymore.  I don't recall that rate offhand though. 250ft/min or some such.

[Krusty]

LOL Then the Ju87 service ceiling is about 50 feet (lmao).

[ghi]

Originally posted by Karnak
I'd guess it would depend on the fuel load, engines and props on it.

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 30k would have been good  defence, why did they operate like bats in the night mostly ?!:(

[Karnak]

Originally posted by ghi
30k would have been good  defence, why did they operate like bats in the night mostly ?!:(

If the Lancaster in AH is modeled correctly it would have taken it an inordinately long time to climb to 30,000ft.  In addition it may have taken off with only 50% or even 25% fuel, thus greatly reducing it's weight.

In reality it was not worth the sacrifice in range to spend the fuel to climb to 30,000ft, if it even could.

[syncrII]

Lancs are the favotitte HQ busters for lot of players, i meet them at 30k +,many times outruning most of the fighter planes.


Moin

Did you ever tryed to reach 30k with a full loaded Lanc?
You can belive me it is unposible. You only can reach 26k maybe 28k but for these 2 more Ks you need to spend a houer.
But if you were on 27k and you have dropped on target you can reach 30k.
Only a empty Lanc you can find on 30k.
It is coreckt that the Lanc is prety fast at these alts but not faster as b17 or b24.

cu chris3

[ghi]

Originally posted by syncrII


Did you ever tryed to reach 30k with a full loaded Lanc?

cu chris3

 Lol,Cris, no way ,i don't have patience to climb 30k in bombers, i did it with some missions long time ago.
But i like to intercept them , i meet you over bish HQ many times, and i meet lancs also @30k, loaded or not i'm not sure,
imop the bombers are fast, ridiculos fast @ high alt ,and the bombing is too acurate  from 30k, running with max speed:)

[Karnak]

ghi,

The problem with the bomber vs fighter dynamic in AH is that the bombers fly at max power 100% of the time, none of this "cruise" setting stuff for them as they carry so much fuel they never need to worry about it.

In the 1942 Pac CT setups the Boston Mk III cannot be intercepted by the Japanese.  It is simply faster than the A6M2.  Do you really think we were using bombers that the Japanese could not intercept as early as 1942?  Certainly Sakai never mentioned that problem.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Karnak
ghi,

The problem with the bomber vs fighter dynamic in AH is that the bombers fly at max power 100% of the time, none of this "cruise" setting stuff for them as they carry so much fuel they never need to worry about it.
 

Most of the radial aircoled  engines , running few hours with max rpm,100% power,would overheat , and lose rings /cilinders. It would happen for  modern cars also, running with max rpm few hours,

[Simaril]

And this in reality means that a 30k buff is invincible. For example, this am I upped a G14 to intercept a porking strat runner. (No good fights around, so why not....)  Turned out he wasnt the 15-20 I expected. I climbed up to him, he kept climbing, and by the time he had dropped ord he was 33k. I couldnt een get a shot on him, I tried to build up soeed at 31.5, hoping to have enogh momentum to be able to pull up and get a singel pass at his belly before I stalled, but I couldnt do it. Frustrating, even though I know he wasted more time getting their than I did chasing him....

So now (without the G10) is there any non-perk counter to the stratospheric buffer?

Normally HTC has things set up so action shave counters, maintaining play balance. As I see it, the only counter to 30k buffs is buffer impatience. No balancing tools for the interceptors....-

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Simaril
So now (without the G10) is there any non-perk counter to the stratospheric buffer?  

P-47N.

[Krusty]

But P47N climbs like CRAP, and if the point is interception/chasing it'd be 15k by the time the 30k bomber was 2 sectors away.

[Karnak]

P-47N climbs ok if you take 50% fuel, and while it loses ground at low altitude to things like the Bf109K-4 and Spitfire Mk XIV it starts gaining it back once it gets above 25,000ft.  The goal is to get up there with a fighter than can actually perform up there.  The Ta-152 climbs just as badly initially and the Spit XIV starts lagging if you get above 30,000ft.  If time to alt is your priority, take a Bf109K-4.  The Bf109G-14 is the wrong plane for the task.

Also, intercepting a bomber when it is over the base you are taking off of is the wrong way to go about it.  You need to take off from a base well ahead of it.  The British and Germans in WWII didn't wait for the bombers to be overhead before scrambling for a reason.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Simaril
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So now (without the G10) is there any non-perk counter to the stratospheric buffer?

Normally HTC has things set up so action shave counters, maintaining play balance. As I see it, the only counter to 30k buffs is buffer impatience. No balancing tools for the interceptors....- [/B]

   Ta152 is cheap under 10 perks, climbs slower than k-4 up to 24-25k but is much better than k-4 over 25k, plus the firepower, 90 x 30mm +2 x175 mg151 shells, not 65 rounds only on k-4

[syncrII]

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Lol,Cris, no way ,i don't have patience to climb 30k in bombers, i did it with some missions long time ago.
But i like to intercept them , i meet you over bish HQ many times, and i meet lancs also @30k, loaded or not i'm not sure,
imop the bombers are fast, ridiculos fast @ high alt ,and the bombing is too acurate  from 30k, running with max speed:)

Moin

yes i knew i lost meany bombers to you. But the badest think you have done to me was killing my 12 formation Ki 67 HQRaid with your 20 me 163. I still remember be sure. im still workink on a plan to pay it back .
For me its ok that the bombers are realy fast at high alt because it is there best devense. And everyone who spent over a houer to get there should get this litel price.
I think this is the complet other side of game play. some people search the short quick fun in a furball and the others flys houers on there ouwn mission to have fun on that way. you can say the way is the coal.
For me it is much fun to fly a ju88 at 30k with only 10 50kgs bombs to a target far far away and than fly home because not many people do something like that and reaching the max. abilitis of a plan is a kind fun too i gues.

cu chris3