Author Topic: A Marine's Last Words (Read 2772 times)

Nash · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2005, 12:48:01 AM »

I do realize that you've served. I know that.

But lets be honest here, you're tending to take a generality (a vast segment of the American population who is both eligible and unwilling to serve, but who nevertheless shouts down anyone who doesn't support it in words, as they are only willing to go as far as) and make it personal.

This kid died on his 3rd tour, turning down a fourth.

So I disagree with you... It is NOT inspirational. It speaks to something very wrong.

I aint knockin' the kid, as you seem to think. I just think you're seriously wrong in how you've chosen to internalize his death, and spit him back out in the form of a rallying cry.

It's disgusting to me.

Yeager · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2005, 12:50:16 AM »

in a sense nash you could say we 101st keyboarders are fighting an important war back home......

I dont mind thrashing up against folks that have no other useful value, make no other worthwhile contribution -besides tearing down the current global reality with no realistic suggestion for a better one, and usually just because they identify Bush with a garden plant, or a chimp.

Sure, Ill stick up for those folks in uniform because someone has to fight back home on the intertardnet against the folks who only want to isolate and withdrawl from a cruel world, to allow an even more brutal and cruel world to develope around them and threaten all -while our young men and women fight a bloody brutal campaign against total ignorqant hatred and religious zealotry.

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2005, 12:51:06 AM »

^

What a sacrifice. You should be proud.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2005, 12:58:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
^

What a sacrifice. You should be proud.

OK I'll write that down:

Liberal rules:

221. Bush is not allowed to use the deaths of our nations heros, even if they were patriotic and inspirational, in a patriotic and inspirational speech.
222. It is perfectly acceptable for Canadians to do very little to help out with the security of the world and fight against Islamo facism while criticising others for not helping out the security of the world and the fight against Islamo facism.

log updated nash....happy spitting.

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2005, 01:01:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

Liberal rules:

221.

Whoa... whoa right there pal. I'm going to have to see rules 1 through 220 before we continue.

Nash · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2005, 01:06:53 AM »

"Liberal rules" Blah blah blah......

Watch O'Reilly much?

Who speaks like that?

"221. Bush is not allowed to use the deaths of our nations heros, even if they were patriotic and inspirational, in a patriotic and inspirational speech."

He cherry picked even this kid's story. That's what I'm saying. The reality that I don't find to be inspiring is the reality that he left out. It's obviously jarred you.

"222. It is perfectly acceptable for Canadians to do very little to help out with the security of the world and fight against Islamo facism while criticising others for not helping out the security of the world and the fight against Islamo facism. "

Don't blame us because we're beautiful. (read: not getting sucked in)

Sixpence · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2005, 01:15:24 AM »

Well, before this thread goes further south, let's stop and think of the poor kid who lost his life, not the politics of the war, there are plenty of other threads for that

Nash · « **Reply #22 on:** December 01, 2005, 01:17:23 AM »

Btw, Tillman thought Iraq was a joke, and his death to friendly fire was a shameful cover-up.

Let's not even get into the heroism of Jessica....

Who else? What other heroes? This kid?

This kid who wanted OUT?!

There's a pattern here, man.

You probably won't find it in your little rule book.

NUKE · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2005, 01:25:28 AM »

The guy wanted it to be known that he was fighting for something he believed in and for something that he felt was worth dying for, that's all. He served our country and is a hero in my book.

Staga · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2005, 02:07:53 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
The guy wanted it to be known that he was fighting for something he believed in and for something that he felt was worth dying for, that's all.

Hiostory is full of people like that; some thought their country needed Lebensraum and some thought communism was the way to the better future.

Oh well; there's still North-Korea, Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba, half of the african countries and some Ex-soviet union countries having dictators oppressing their people so there will be plenty of chances for you and your childrens to die abroad and get your names in memorial.

I bet some even have (or had) WMDs and are also producing oil.

NUKE · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2005, 02:36:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Hiostory is full of people like that; some thought their country needed Lebensraum and some thought communism was the way to the better future.

Oh well; there's still North-Korea, Libya, Iran, Syria, Cuba, half of the african countries and some Ex-soviet union countries having dictators oppressing their people so there will be plenty of chances for you and your childrens to die abroad and get your names in memorial.

I bet some even have (or had) WMDs and are also producing oil.

America is evil, just like all your other examples.

moot · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2005, 04:58:47 AM »

PM'ed you, Nash.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 01, 2005, 08:26:51 AM »

"The complicated people are the weak ones, beset by dozens of conflicting causes and motives, never quite knowing how to get it all together. The see one side of the issue, but they also see the other side. They see the advantage of one course of action, but they recognize that it might be better to do something else. "

truer words were never spoken... we need to keep them in mind when reading nash and his ilks posts.

and..nash... instead of coming here and badmouthing us Americans for making the wrong choice... why aren't you on a canadian BB telling them every day what a great choice doing nothing was? Accent the positive... ya know?

plus... you would have some real stake in what you told your fellow canadians.. You would even get to vote and stuff.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2005, 08:29:27 AM »

staga... just curious... are you suggesting that the marine in question was the same as the people who thought communism and such was right for their country? He wants choice for the people he is fighting for... he want's them to be able to choose... how can that be wrong? how can more freedom ever be wrong in todays world?

lazs

Stringer · « **Reply #29 on:** December 01, 2005, 09:31:47 AM »

Help me out here....What was the reason for invading Iraq?

How is this comparable to Omaha Beach?

I don't like it when flag waving is used to distract us and intended to take our eye of the ball. It diminishes the sacrifices that were made and my own patriotism as well. Plus it insults my intelligence.

Fundamental Islam is not the greatest threat to this country. If you think it is, you are buying it hook, line, and sinker.

It's always about the money, and economic powress has and will be what makes a super power. It is that which enables us to project our will, including using our military, or mis-using them as the case might be.