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Offline Ripsnort

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Ethics questions: Let the hostages die?
« on: September 28, 2001, 09:06:00 AM »
Its a known fact that it is only a matter of time that Bin Laden disciples take Americans hostage somewhere in the world for an exchange for the prisoners in the US responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing.  The question is...do we give into their demands? Take the risk, and send anti-terrorist squads to 'storm them'?  Most certainly more Americans will die in the next few months, years.  I guess we have to ask this question.
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Offline Udie

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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Its a known fact that it is only a matter of time that Bin Laden disciples take Americans hostage somewhere in the world for an exchange for the prisoners in the US responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing.  The question is...do we give into their demands? Take the risk, and send anti-terrorist squads to 'storm them'?  Most certainly more Americans will die in the next few months, years.  I guess we have to ask this question.

 Never give in!  We're all "combatants" in this war.  We all have our lives at risk, some more than others of course, but we're all their targets.  I'd use spec forces to storm them if they take hostiges.  I know that sucks and hostiges will die, but most likely they're dead already and this way maybe we can save at least some of them.


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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2001, 09:19:00 AM »
Yeah, my very same thoughts Udie.  But, try to imagine if they were YOUR children, or Mom and dad..gets alittle confusing doesn't it?
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2001, 09:40:00 AM »
U.S. Policy. We dont negoitate w/terrorists.

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »
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Yeah, my very same thoughts Udie. But, try to imagine if they were YOUR children, or Mom and dad..gets alittle confusing doesn't it?

and thats why they rarely let anyone with  a personal stake in it be involved.
nobody thinks logicly when their wife or kids are in danger.
just one example- look at that guy in florida this summer who swam out and took the kids arm back from the shark.
not exactly logical thinking
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Offline Udie

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2001, 11:02:00 AM »
YES it does Rip, that's why we need to crush these people pronto and make it very public and ugly. So the next time some maniac tries/wants to do something like this he realized that he 1. he doest go straight to Heaven and 2. he DOES get his skin peeled off and then he gets dipped into salt...


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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
As I noted in another thread, turning the 52 American Hostages into 52 American Martyrs via turning Tehran inta a glass crater in 1979 would have spared us the 5,200 dead in NYC today, and quite a few 'bushwars' in the intereim.

Never negotiate. Respond with horrible and overwhelming violence and unrelenting visciousness to terrorisim... had we done this initially; I doubt seriously we'd be in the toejam we're in now..

The formula.. One american hostage = one dead american martyr and 10,000 dead from the nation that spawned  or harbored the hostage taker.

No mercy. Not even a tiny shred. This is not about justice.. it is about SURVIVAL now.

Darwinism writ as large as it can be written.

Quickly. Before they can react.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2001, 12:48:00 PM »
The optimal strategy in the narrow context of hostage taking (capture of individuals or small groups people) would be to make hostage taking meaningless.

 Which basically means writing hostages off as dead the moment they are taken and treating terrorists as murderers. The only leeway in that could be sparing the terrorist's lives upon unconditional release of hostages.

 Another issue is when terrorists are holding us all hostages and killing us wholesale when we do not do what they want.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »
I think the way President Reagan explained it to Kadafe (spelling) was pretty effective.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2001, 01:58:00 PM »
you call in Rainbow Six and fur-get bout it!

in reality it's a dam if you do, dam if you don't scenerio ... the press and then in turn, public opinion, will fry ya alive either way  :)
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2001, 03:34:00 PM »
Or we could just sell the terrorist arms for hostages...

U.S. Policy. We dont negoitate w/terrorists

Was this policy before or after President Reagen?

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2001, 04:59:00 PM »
Before.

  So was the law against targeting heads of state.  So what?  He got the job done.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2001, 05:46:00 PM »
Hey! ripsnort.  "solve" easymo's puzzle. I am curious
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2001, 06:56:00 PM »
10 bears , your time line is wrong

1)reagan prez , hostages freed

2)congress cuts off aid to freedom fighters (like they did to south vietnam , remember)

3)reagan sell arms to raise money to arm freedom fighters

[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: john9001 ]
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2001, 10:39:00 PM »
Known fact? There are a lot of things you know that the rest of us don't eh rip?
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