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Offline DREDIOCK

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« on: December 04, 2005, 06:30:06 PM »
Question.
Not intended to start an arguement.

And I'm not looking for opinions as much as I am facts

Feeding, housing,clothing etc etc
How much responcability does the government bear in takeing care of the katrina victims?
From a legal or consitutional standpoint. How obligated is the Federal government in seeing to the needs  as mentioned above of the victims still displaced in say, Texas?

Is there a legal obligation there or is it being done simply because it is the right thing to do?

And for how long?

At what point can the government say "your on your own."
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2005, 08:38:32 PM »
How long can a person stay on welfare, Dred?  While I don't think the civilians should have to do everything on their own I think they should have to contribute 25-50%.  Make nawlins a tent city and have everyone helps rebuild it.  Civilian workforce, government funded housing.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2005, 08:45:18 PM »
Nirvana

I like the way you think.  However, can you inagine the screaming from the entitlement flock?  Many of these people have never worked a day in their lives.  How can you expect them, in the wake of a disaster, to suddenly pick up a shovel and become a productive citizen?  It seems right now though, that NO is too busy setting up it's free wireless internet system to be bothered with housing its former citizens.


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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2005, 09:03:11 PM »
N.O. was pretty much a poverty theme park before it was destroyed...

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2005, 11:41:18 PM »
Not Yours To Give

http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

by Col. David Crockett
US Representative from Tennessee

Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis.

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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2005, 11:49:30 PM »
They didn't have anything to lose, so just set up a tent city.  Because that's not a proper way of government housing.  Let them Sit there, wherever they are, and if they want help they can ask nicely.  I haven't heard one report of a Katrina survivor saying "thanks" for all the work that was done.  It may have flown under the radar of the news media though seeing as I haven't met any of the survivors.

Like Debonair said, there wasn't much before, why should it be any improvement now?
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2005, 12:06:21 AM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Not Yours To Give

http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

by Col. David Crockett
US Representative from Tennessee

Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis.


Have to reemphasize that article.  Miko (bless his departed virtual soul) posted a similar version years ago, and I've had it saved on my hard drive ever since.  Whenever I need to succinctly sum up my views of the federal government, that's what I give people to read.

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2005, 12:09:13 AM »
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 I haven't heard one report of a Katrina survivor saying "thanks" for all the work that was done.  It may have flown under the radar of the news media though seeing as I haven't met any of the survivors.

 


OMG you're right!  Out of the millions of people from N.O. not a single one has ever said thank you!  You checked with every one too?!?!

"thank you" stories aren't as newsworthy, but they're there.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2005, 12:20:22 AM »
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How long can a person stay on welfare, Dred?  While I don't think the civilians should have to do everything on their own I think they should have to contribute 25-50%.  Make nawlins a tent city and have everyone helps rebuild it.  Civilian workforce, government funded housing.


I am not in dissagreement.
But Im looking for technically what the governments obligation to these people is legally
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2005, 12:28:57 AM »
Gentlemen,

From a political standpoint it can be argued back and forth what the government should do.

But what the governments obligated to do politically and legally may be two diferent things.

What Im looking for is what the government is legally bound and obligated to do with and/oor for these people. the refugees in particular.
And for how long.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 12:55:11 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Gentlemen,

From a political standpoint it can be argued back and forth what the government should do.

But what the governments obligated to do politically and legally may be two diferent things.

What Im looking for is what the government is legally bound and obligated to do with and/oor for these people. the refugees in particular.
And for how long.


Legally I imagine we are not obligated to do much of anything.
How about morally?

Through the years on this board so many in here have professed that this is a Christian country.  I find it hard to believe that same people  feel that we shouldnt help the poor and the other classes of people that have been devastated.
This gov spends $6billion + a month in Iraq alone. I would think we could go along ways to helping those among our countrymen and women who cant or even wont help themselves.
It seems right to me................
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2005, 01:08:23 AM »
If you want to help the victims, pull out your own checkbook instead of voting to force me to pull out mine.  The story Thrawn posted pretty well sums up why the government shouldn't be in charity business.

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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 08:40:12 AM »
the government should stay out of it... the people had insurance.

There will also be plenty of help from charitable organizations.   The only thing the government should do is give bigger tax breaks for charitable contributions.

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2005, 08:47:46 AM »
seems to me that if I had to virtually re-build a city, I'd do it somewhere nearby on ground that is at least slightly above sea-level.

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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2005, 08:21:41 PM »
You mean to tell me nobody here knows the actual answer to my question?
LOL

I dont know it either. thats why I was asking.
But I would have thought someone would know.
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