Author Topic: will 190s be fixed? (Read 1823 times)

1K3 · « **on:** December 06, 2005, 03:21:54 AM »

will 190s ever be fixed?

The issues (based on what i see/heard)

* the A-5 is 300lbs underweight. 190A-5 is the heaviest of all 190s in power/weight ratio.
* the A-5 is too fast at med-hi alt. faster than A-8?!
* the A-5 is too slow on low alt
* the A-5 climbs steeply, 190s climb is shallow and fast.
* they generally turn worse, the aileron is the culprit
* 190s accelerate slow. 190s accelerate well in slow/medium speeds. Its a sprinter

PS: I would also love to see the 190A-4, 190A-6, and a late 1944 190A-8:)

(runs and hides)

imo this is borderline whining ; )

Squire · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2005, 03:27:03 AM »

I'll check in after the 300th post.

storch · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2005, 05:45:09 AM »

A8 carries the weight of the auxilliary tank even after the fuel is consumed. the A8 should also outperform the A5 by a wide margin.

gatt · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2005, 06:46:26 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
A8 carries the weight of the auxilliary tank even after the fuel is consumed

REALLY ?!?

storch · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2005, 07:46:15 AM »

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Originally posted by gatt
REALLY ?!?

yes, really. so when u fly the A8 it is better (IMO) to burn the rear tank, forward tank, then use aux to rtb because you will pay the weight penalty for it even if it is all consumed.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2005, 08:19:48 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
A8 carries the weight of the auxilliary tank even after the fuel is consumed.

How can you prove this is so in AH?

storch · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2005, 08:45:33 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How can you prove this is so in AH?

if you feel like digging through back posts Pyro confirmed it a while back. IIRC the problem could not be easily remedied without re-doing the 190 FM or something like that.

gatt · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2005, 08:48:42 AM »

Storch, out of curiosity, how big is the aux compared to the other internal tanks?

I had decided to make a TOD with the 190A-8 but , hey ..... I'm ready to come back to the K-4

storch · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2005, 11:29:20 AM »

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Originally posted by gatt
Storch, out of curiosity, how big is the aux compared to the other internal tanks?

I had decided to make a TOD with the 190A-8 but , hey ..... I'm ready to come back to the K-4

Crumpp could probably tell you, I'm not sure. but it is smaller than the wing tanks maybe around 115L.

Krusty · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:14:32 PM »

I think I did a test and it's about 30 gallons.

However, if you take 75% and/or a DT you get 100% front, 75% aft tanks full (almost the same fuel in a A5) and if you don't mind losing 5-8mph for the ETC rack the DT is the way to go.

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:21:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I think I did a test and it's about 30 gallons.

However, if you take 75% and/or a DT you get 100% front, 75% aft tanks full (almost the same fuel in a A5) and if you don't mind losing 5-8mph for the ETC rack the DT is the way to go.

But in that setup you still have the weight of the AUX tank added to your aircraft.

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:23:20 PM »

Neg, because it was never filled... or am I missing something...

I thought that the aux tank was filled if you took 100%, and simply "didn't drain". If it's never filled, it never has to drain, is what I thought, if that's wrong please clarify, I hadn't heard of this bug until recently.

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:41:41 PM »

If fixing it requires something so fundamental as a rebuild of the Fw190A-8's flight model I would guess that the weight is simply included in the Fw190A-8 no matter what you do. From a programming standpoint that is what makes sense to me.

Krusty · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2005, 12:49:44 PM »

Well that sucks even more than I thought it did!

gatt · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2005, 01:17:17 PM »

Krusty,
yes, if you take 75% you have only the aft and fwd internal tanks available (I checked with the "shift-f" thing). If you take 100% you have also the aux tank filled and active. At least offline. Weird thing btw.