will 190s be fixed?

[Mister Fork]

Originally posted by 1K3
will 190s ever be fixed?
* 190s accelerate slow.  190s accelerate well in slow/medium speeds.  Its a sprinter

We have absolutely no idea how the FM is designed in AH, how HP and Engine Torque curves are implemented and ~ cannot comment on what Pyro/HiTech have done.

I do know that FW190's were fast accelerators in real life compared their opposing allied aircraft but in AH, they're a bit pokey getting up to speed.  Other sims have somehow captured this aspect but then again, see my first comment.

[hitech]

A8 carries the weight of the auxilliary tank even after the fuel is consumed. the A8 should also outperform the A5 by a wide margin.

Storch: Some where the is a missunderstanding.

Some A8's had AUX some didn't. We have no way of modling this as an option so all A8's in AH have an AUX tank. The weight that is always there is the weight of the tank, not the weight of the fuel. It is consumed , and the plane weighs less with it's consumption.


And I sorta curious where this rumor started?

HiTech

[Tilt]

Originally posted by hitech

Some A8's had AUX some didn't. We have no way of modling this as an option so all A8's in AH have an AUX tank.  

In the hanger offer it as an internal load out choice like a non jetisonable drop tank.

It would increase the internal load out choice by the number of cannon/gun packages you want to offer it with.

100% fuel is then a function of non optional tanks and the aux and drop tank are a function of 125% fuel availability.

You  model the extra tank shell weight when its chosen much as you may model the extra drag from bomb pylons.

EDIT......
changing the "centre point" list to "centre point/aux" you can add the additional three options with aux tank to have 7 options down that side.  I note you have 7 down that side on one of the P47's

[Krusty]

That doesn't work too well, unless you have its own ord point just for that tank.

Say you put it in internal ord... well you already have 3 gun options, now you'd have to have 6 (1 for every gun option WITH tank, 1 for every gun option WITHOUT tank).

That screws things up here and down the road.

Before everybody gets their panties in a bunch, we need to ask this:

"What is the weight of the empty tank shell?"

If its a measely 50 pounds or some such it's not worth whining about.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Krusty
That doesn't work too well, unless you have its own ord point just for that tank.


"What is the weight of the empty tank shell?"

If its a measely 50 pounds or some such it's not worth whining about.

Yes as per my edit its neater if you double up the centre loadings............

as per the 50LBs is it worth it ............I dont know .......................I was just responding to HT's dilema of not being able to offer it as an option given that folk above seemed to think other wise. (although some seemed to have been confused re tank and fuel weights)

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Tilt
I was just responding to HT's dilema of not being able to offer it as an option given that folk above seemed to think other wise. (although some seemed to have been confused re tank and fuel weights)

I think that's the issue right there

[storch]

Originally posted by hitech
Storch: Some where the is a missunderstanding.

Some A8's had AUX some didn't. We have no way of modling this as an option so all A8's in AH have an AUX tank. The weight that is always there is the weight of the tank, not the weight of the fuel. It is consumed , and the plane weighs less with it's consumption.


And I sorta curious where this rumor started?

HiTech

it may be a misunderstanding on my part.  IIRC Pyro commented on it a while back.  maybe he said what you just said and my comprehension is as bad as your spelling used to be.    if it's a rumor then the guy that started it is I.

[Krusty]

*Smacks Storch about the head and neck with a trout*

[gatt]

Originally posted by Krusty
Before everybody gets their panties in a bunch, we need to ask this:

"What is the weight of the empty tank shell?"

If its a measely 50 pounds or some such it's not worth whining about.

With the additional fuselage fuel tank, 115 ltr (25,3 gal), installed the aircraft weight is increased by about 265 lbs

From 190A-8 Handbook, Part 0, General, Effective July 1944.

Someone do the math!

[Charge]

"With the additional fuselage fuel tank, 115 ltr (25,3 gal), installed the aircraft weight is increased by about 265 lbs"

Wasn't the AUX tank changed to a simpler aluminium one later on? At first it was rubber sealed etc.?

-C+

[gatt]

I have only evidence of self sealing tank on older versions and then non self sealing (with drain **** and supercharger air pressure fuel jettison).

Btw, there was no monitoring of aux tank contents; the tank was empty when the rear tank fuel level fell below 240ltr.

[MANDO]

Originally posted by gatt
I Btw, there was no monitoring of aux tank contents; the tank was empty when the rear tank fuel level fell below 240ltr.

And there was no way to select it:

Fw190A8 fuel selector handle

[Tilt]

Originally posted by gatt
From 190A-8 Handbook, Part 0, General, Effective July 1944.

Someone do the math!

if the SG of the fuel is 0.7 then the tank weighed approx 40 kg (88lbs)

[MANDO]

RLM specifications for B4 and C3 gasolines

For 190A8 we may use a 780g/l density C3. 115l, 90 Kg (196lb) of fuel, the rest is the weight of the tank itself: 69lb / 32Kg.

[Krusty]

Thank you mando.

Like I said, hardly worth whining about

That's far less than the outboard guns add!

However the 190A8 is still one of the worst planes in the game >