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Whoops! Air Marshal accidently discharges gun
« on: December 07, 2005, 02:08:16 PM »
Apparently happened just moments ago, at Miami Int'l Airport.

Edit: sorry about the title, thats how the breaking news came in...
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2005, 02:12:05 PM »
not sure if it was an accident.

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A person was shot and wounded on the Jetway to an American Airlines passenger jet that was at the terminal at Miami International Airport, an airline official said.

A federal official told CNN that the passenger was shot by a federal air marshal, who felt the passenger was acting in a threatening manner. A senior administration official added that the passenger claimed to have a bomb in his carry-on luggage.

An air marshal told the passenger to stop, and he did not, the official said, adding that the marshal fired after the passenger reached into his carry-on bag.

The weapon was fired on the Jetway to Flight 924, which was on a stopover in Miami during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, police said.

The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET.

Footage from the scene showed police cars and what appeared to be SWAT vehicles surrounding the plane. Several officers wielding rifles were running toward and around the plane.

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Re: Whoops! Air Marshal accidently discharges gun
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 02:12:29 PM »
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Apparently happened just moments ago, at Miami Int'l Airport.


That's the one thing they've been waiting for to take guns away from them.  Without a gun there's nothing an air marshal can do that a mob of scared/angry passengers can't, so they may as well do away with them completely.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2005, 02:12:47 PM »
Did he shoot himself in the foot, like that DEA agent did?

I'm sure glad the Myth Busters debunked the shoot a hole in a plane causing everyone to be sucked out thing.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2005, 02:15:59 PM »
Sounds like it was a attempted bomber, he's dead.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2005, 02:16:57 PM »
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Did he shoot himself in the foot, like that DEA agent did?

I'm sure glad the Myth Busters debunked the shoot a hole in a plane causing everyone to be sucked out thing.


I don't watch the  show, but a shot inside an aircraft cannot depressurize it to the point of placing anyone onboard in danger, unless of course they were between the gun and the side of the aircraft...

If you've ever believed it could, you've been hollywoodized.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2005, 02:18:24 PM »
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I don't watch the  show, but a shot inside an aircraft cannot depressurize it to the point of placing anyone onboard in danger, unless of course they were between the gun and the side of the aircraft...


yea...but if YOU said it I wouldn't believe it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2005, 02:19:47 PM »
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yea...but if YOU said it I wouldn't believe it.

;) :p


Well, I just repeat what Static Test Engineers at Boeing tell me...and they test this scenario. ;)

Besides that, I don't expect someone that doesn't understand firearms to know that pre-fragmented "safety slugs" are designed not to penetrate walls or ricochet from hard surfaces. These bullets are widely available at reasonable prices and are ideal for home defense where you don't want to accidentally shoot a neighbor while defending yourself and your family -- and they are perfect for use on an airplane, by design. Air Marshals use them.

Even if you put a common handgun bullet through the side of an airplane -- pick your caliber, any of them -- it will not depressurize a cabin measurably. And what small amount of leakage would occur could be plugged with any number of things within reach of your seat, including a small portion of the tiny pillows and baby blankets you are given by flight attendants. Even if fired directly into a window. The window it double-paned. It would make a hole, but not shatter.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2005, 02:26:39 PM »
CNN.com sez the guy was just wounded, and that he was shot because he acted in a threatening manner, claimed he had a bomb, and reached into his carryon bag after being told to stop/surrender.

Sounds like a case of attempted suicide by cop.  Tragic 'cause the cop often ends up having to live with the fact that he shot a mentally disturbed (and sometimes in fact harmless) person.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2005, 02:31:19 PM »
CNN, now states the guy died of wounds.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2005, 02:37:19 PM »
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Besides that, I don't expect someone that doesn't understand firearms to know that pre-fragmented "safety slugs" are designed not to penetrate walls or ricochet from hard surfaces.  


Now now...be nice...I was just kidding.:)
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2005, 02:39:07 PM »
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Now now...be nice...I was just kidding.:)



DOH! :furious   I meant to post ^^this^^ smilie in there, sorry curval :(

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2005, 02:39:54 PM »
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CNN, now states the guy died of wounds.

Fragmenting bullets are not intestinal friendly.

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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2005, 02:40:39 PM »
I feel sorry for the air marshal.  I've heard from various cops that justified shoots don't feel much better than mistakes.

I'm sure the passengers who were on that flight are a bit upset too...  Senseless suicide.
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2005, 02:43:31 PM »
Apparently the plane left on schedule, this wasn't aboard the aircraft.

Guess we'll get the whole story later...