Author Topic: Whoops! Air Marshal accidently discharges gun (Read 1311 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:44:15 PM »

When the good guy with the gun tells you to do something it pays to do what he / she says. Definately do NOT make fast moves into clothing, bag, purse or other object in that situation.

Mustaine · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:53:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Apparently the plane left on schedule, this wasn't aboard the aircraft.

Guess we'll get the whole story later...

on msnbc.com footage, the plane is still on the ground, and passengers are still on the plane, being taken off 1 at a time. (probable being interrogated)

also, there were 2 air marshalls on the plane supposedly

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:53:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Mustaine
on msnbc.com footage, the plane is still on the ground, and passengers are still on the plane, being taken off 1 at a time. (probable being interrogated)

also, there were 2 air marshalls on the plane supposedly

Heh, well I guess I shouldn't listen to "early" reports.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2005, 02:58:54 PM »

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I'm sure glad the Myth Busters debunked the shoot a hole in a plane causing everyone to be sucked out thing.

they did a fairly crappy job of it though. sloppy science. the end result would have been similar but their test was flawed.

they took a straight psi difference to run their test (about 8 psi IIRC).

so they take the 14.7 psi of atmosphere and add an additional 8 to make up the difference.

I'm not going to look up the exact figures but if I remember the 8 psi difference correctly, they take 22.7 psi in the plane with a outside of 14.7 and expect that to yield the same result as 6.7 outside and 14.7 inside.

their test had the plane with about 65% more air than the surrounding atmosphere, while in real life the plane would be holding an additional 120%. when dealing with pressure and explosions, it's the ratios that make the difference.

the show is amusing at times ( I enjoyed watching them attach the rockets to the cars)but they don't really prove much on most subjects.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:00:43 PM »

The significant thing to me is not that this man was shot by an air marshal. He was doing his job. What gets me is, HE WAS ON THE FREAKIN JETWAY TO BOARD THE PLANE, AND CLAIMED HE HAD A BOMB??

HOW THE FREAK DO YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANE WITH EXPLOSIVES IN YOUR CARRY ON BAG??

I mean come on, security may still suck in airports, regardless of what they do, but you cant tell me they wouldnt detect a freakin bomb?

As I said, the Marshal did his job. You have to consider every threat a real one until it's proven not to be. If there was even a hint of explosive in that bag though, security is going to get reamed.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:09:06 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The significant thing to me is not that this man was shot by an air marshal. He was doing his job. What gets me is, HE WAS ON THE FREAKIN JETWAY TO BOARD THE PLANE, AND CLAIMED HE HAD A BOMB??

HOW THE FREAK DO YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANE WITH EXPLOSIVES IN YOUR CARRY ON BAG??

I mean come on, security may still suck in airports, regardless of what they do, but you cant tell me they wouldnt detect a freakin bomb?

As I said, the Marshal did his job. You have to consider every threat a real one until it's proven not to be. If there was even a hint of explosive in that bag though, security is going to get reamed.

The flight came INTO Miami FROM Bogota.

ravells · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:11:13 PM »

From the latest reports I've read, the guy was a nutter and 'no sign of a bomb was found'. Well he paid for his idiocy and I think the air marshall reacted exactly as he was trained to do.

I think that the end anlysis of this will be Darwin's theory in action: if you are stupid enough to bluff yourself in a situation where you might get killed then don't complain (ha ha) if you do get killed.

My only fear is that the propoganda machine of 'anti terrorism' is rewriting the story about some poor idiot who wanted to draw attention to himself and died as a result into: 'Mad nutter sponsored by Al Queda tries to blow up 'plane'.

Curval: do get in touch when you are next here it would be great to see you!

Ripsnort: Good to see that you are fighting the good fight and havn't changed a bit about your news reporting habits!

Ravs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:20:37 PM »

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Ripsnort: Good to see that you are fighting the good fight and havn't changed a bit about your news reporting habits!

Ravs

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:31:12 PM »

The guy looked like a terrorist so the Air marshalls were just doing the right thing

NUKE · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:36:21 PM »

Sad for the man and his family, but on the brighter side, it shows that we really do have airmarshals armed and protecting these planes.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #25 on:** December 07, 2005, 04:39:12 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Sad for the man and his family, but on the brighter side, it shows that we really do have airmarshals armed and protecting these planes.

I
I've been told by a reliable source that its like 1 out of 3 flights flying into and out of, the US...

ravells · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2005, 05:07:19 PM »

Well if he was some saddo who wanted to draw attention to himself and died for it, then that is sad. Having said that the bloke must have been living in a cave if he didn't know he was on a potential summar death sentence for doing what he did.

Well, no more hoaxes from him then.

Ravs

Tarmac · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2005, 05:34:27 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The significant thing to me is not that this man was shot by an air marshal. He was doing his job. What gets me is, HE WAS ON THE FREAKIN JETWAY TO BOARD THE PLANE, AND CLAIMED HE HAD A BOMB??

HOW THE FREAK DO YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE PLANE WITH EXPLOSIVES IN YOUR CARRY ON BAG??

I mean come on, security may still suck in airports, regardless of what they do, but you cant tell me they wouldnt detect a freakin bomb?

As I said, the Marshal did his job. You have to consider every threat a real one until it's proven not to be. If there was even a hint of explosive in that bag though, security is going to get reamed.

So far they're saying there was no bomb; he was bluffing. Sounds like a case of suicide by cop to me.

Suave · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2005, 06:19:05 PM »

Reportedly he was running around flailing his arms indicating that he had a bomb in his bag. His wife said that he had stopped taking his medications.

Which brings me to my next question that I'm almost afraid to ask. Has anybody heard from Airhead?

Meatwad · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2005, 06:50:08 PM »

No........Airhead is MIA