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« on: December 11, 2005, 08:12:06 AM »
VIEW OF THE ARAB WORLD BY AN ARAB

This speech runs for nine pages but is well worth taking time to read.  The
speech was delivered in April 2004 and it is interesting to see the accuracy
of its content today.
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The Arab who wrote this is:  Haim Harari, Chair, Davidson Institute of
Science Education. Past President, Weizmann Institute of Science

"A View from the Eye of the Storm"

Talk delivered by Haim Harari at a meeting of the International Advisory
Board of a large multi-national corporation, April, 2004:

"As you know, I usually provide the scientific and technological
"entertainment" in our meetings, but, on this occasion, our Chairman
suggested that I present my own personal view on events in the part of the
world from which I come.

I have never been and I will never be a Government official and I have no
privileged information. My perspective is entirely based on what I see, on
what I read and on the fact that my family has lived in this region for
almost 200 years. You may regard my views as those of the proverbial taxi
driver, which you are supposed to question, when you visit a country.

I could have shared with you some fascinating facts and some personal
thoughts about the Israeli-Arab conflict. However, I will touch upon it only
in passing. I prefer to devote most of my remarks to the broader picture of
the region and its place in world events. I refer to the entire area between
Pakistan and Morocco, which is predominantly Arab, predominantly Moslem, but
includes many non-Arab and also significant non-Moslem minorities.

Why do I put aside Israel and its own immediate neighborhood? Because Israel
and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in
the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central
issue in the upheaval in the region.

Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the
main show is.

The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel.

The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime
is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel.

The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian
in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel.

Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered
his own people because of Israel.

Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60's because of Israel.

Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one
week in El Hamma in Syria because of Israel.

The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war there had nothing to do
with Israel.

The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had nothing to do with Israel,
and I could go on and on and on.

The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally
dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if
Israel had joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine had existed
for 100 years.

The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf
States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and
almost as large as the EU before its expansion.

They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe.

These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a
combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half
of the GDP of California alone.

Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and
too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by
being corrupt rulers.

The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150
years ago.

Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque
fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission.

According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and
published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by
the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone
translates.

The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less
than that of 6 million Israelis.

Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social
gaps and the cultural decline.

And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was
believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area,
which developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures
in the world.

It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for
cruel dictators, terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders
and general decline. It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region
blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western
Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except
themselves.

A word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are either
devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families:
They are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia
and of their own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally
dysfunctional.

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 08:14:35 AM »
The problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part
of the terror and of the incitement, but they also do not stand up against
it. They become accomplices, by omission, and this applies to political
leaders, intellectuals, business people and many others. Many of them can
certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to express their views.

The events of the last few years have amplified four issues, which have
always existed, but have never been as rampant as in the present upheaval in
the region.

A few more years may pass before everybody acknowledges that it is a World
War, but we are already well into it.

These are the four main pillars of the current World Conflict, or perhaps we
should already refer to it as "the undeclared World War III":

1. The first element is the suicide murder.

Suicide murders are not a new invention but they have been made popular, if
I may use this _expression, only lately. Even after September 11, it seems
that most of the Western World does not yet understand this weapon. It is a
very potent psychological weapon. Its real direct impact is relatively
minor. The total number of casualties from hundreds of suicide murders
within Israel in the last three years is much smaller than those due to car
accidents. September 11 was quantitatively much less lethal than many
earthquakes.  More people die from AIDS in one day in Africa than all the
Russians who died in the hands of Chechnya-based Moslem suicide murderers
since that conflict started. Saddam killed every month more people than all
those who died from suicide murders since the Coalition occupation of Iraq.

So what is all the fuss about suicide killings? It creates headlines. It is
spectacular. It is frightening. It is a very cruel death with bodies
dismembered and horrible severe lifelong injuries to many of the wounded. It
is always shown on television in great detail. One such murder, with the
help of hysterical media coverage, can destroy the tourism industry of a
country for quite a while, as it did in Bali and in Turkey.

But the real fear comes from the undisputed fact that no defense and no
preventive measures can succeed against a determined suicide murderer. This
has not yet penetrated the thinking of the Western World. The U.S. and
Europe are constantly improving their defense against the last murder, not
the next one. We may arrange for the best airport security in the world. But
if you want to murder by suicide, you do not have to board a plane in order
to explode yourself and kill many people. Who could stop a suicide murder in
the midst of the crowded line waiting to be checked by the airport metal
detector? How about the lines to the check-in counters in a busy travel
period? Put a metal detector in front of every train station in Spain and
the terrorists will get the buses. Protect the buses and they will explode
in movie theaters, concert halls, supermarkets, shopping malls, schools and
hospitals. Put guards in front of every concert hall and there will always
be a line of people to be checked by the guards and this line will be the
target, not to speak of killing the guards themselves. You can somewhat
reduce your vulnerability by preventive and defensive measures and by strict
border controls but not eliminate it and definitely not win the war in a
defensive way. And it is a war!

What is behind the suicide murders? Money, power and cold-blooded murderous
incitement, nothing else. It has nothing to do with true fanatic religious
beliefs. No Moslem preacher has ever blown himself up. No son of an Arab
politician or religious leader has ever blown himself. No relative of anyone
influential has done it. Wouldn't you expect some of the religious leaders
to do it themselves, or to talk their sons into doing it, if this is truly a
supreme act of religious fervor? Aren't they interested in the benefits of
going to Heaven? Instead, they send outcast women, naïve children, retarded
people and young incited hotheads. They promise them the delights, mostly
sexual, of the next world, and pay their families handsomely after the
supreme act is performed and enough innocent people are dead.

Suicide murders also have nothing to do with poverty and despair.

The poorest region in the world, by far, is Africa. It never happens there.
There are numerous desperate people in the world, in different cultures,
countries and continents. Desperation does not provide anyone with
explosives, reconnaissance and transportation. There was certainly more
despair in Saddam's Iraq than in Paul Bremmer's Iraq, and no one exploded
himself. A suicide murder is simply a horrible, vicious weapon of cruel,
inhuman, cynical, well-funded terrorists, with no regard to human life,
including the life of their fellow countrymen, but with very high regard to
their own affluent well-being and their hunger for power.

The only way to fight this new "popular" weapon is identical to the only way
in which you fight organized crime or pirates on the high seas: the
offensive way.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 08:14:54 AM »
"It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region
blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western
Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except
themselves."


This statement is so damn true.

Good read Macca.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 08:15:33 AM »
Like in the case of organized crime, it is crucial that the forces on the
offensive be united and it is crucial to reach the top of the crime pyramid.
You cannot eliminate organized crime by arresting the little drug dealer on
the street corner. You must go after the head of the "Family".

If part of the public supports it, others tolerate it, many are afraid of it
and some try to explain it away by poverty or by a miserable childhood,
organized crime will thrive and so will terrorism.

The United States understands this now, after September 11. Russia is
beginning to understand it. Turkey understands it well. I am very much
afraid that most of Europe still does not understand it. Unfortunately, it
seems that Europe will understand it only after suicide murders arrive in
Europe in a big way. In my humble opinion, this will definitely happen. The
Spanish trains and the Istanbul bombings are only the beginning. The unity
of the Civilized World in fighting this horror is absolutely indispensable.
Until Europe wakes up, this unity will not be achieved.

2. The second ingredient is words, more precisely lies.

Words can be lethal. They kill people. It is often said that politicians,
diplomats and perhaps also lawyers and business people must sometimes lie,
as part of their professional life. But the norms of politics and diplomacy
are childish, in comparison with the level of incitement and total absolute
deliberate fabrications, which have reached new heights in the region we are
talking about. An incredible number of people in the Arab world believe that
September 11 never happened, or was an American provocation or, even better,
a Jewish plot.

You all remember the Iraqi Minister of Information, Mr. Mouhamad Said
al-Sahaf and his press conferences when the US forces were already inside
Baghdad. Disinformation at time of war is an accepted tactic. But to stand,
day after day, and to make such preposterous statements, known to everybody
to be lies, without even being ridiculed in your own milieu, can only happen
in this region. Mr. Sahaf eventually became a popular icon as a court
jester, but this did not stop some allegedly respectable newspapers from
giving him equal time. It also does not prevent the Western press from
giving credence, every day, even now, to similar liars.

After all, if you want to be an anti-Semite, there are subtle ways of doing
it. You do not have to claim that the holocaust never happened, and that the
Jewish temple in Jerusalem never existed. But millions of Moslems are told
by their leaders that this is the case. When these same leaders make other
statements, the Western media report them as if they could be true.

It is a daily occurrence that the same people, who finance, arm and dispatch
suicide murderers, condemn the act in English in front of western TV
cameras, talking to a world audience, which even partly believes them. It is
a daily routine to hear the same leader making opposite statements in Arabic
to his people and in English to the rest of the world.  Incitement by Arab
TV, accompanied by horror pictures of mutilated bodies, has become a
powerful weapon of those who lie, distort and want to destroy everything.

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2005, 08:16:20 AM »
Little children are raised on deep hatred and on admiration of so-called
martyrs, and the Western World does not notice it because its own TV sets
are mostly tuned to soap operas and game shows. I recommend to you, even
though most of you do not understand Arabic, to watch Al Jazeera, from time
to time. You will not believe your own eyes.

But words also work in other ways, more subtle. A demonstration in Berlin,
carrying banners supporting Saddam's regime and featuring three-year old
babies dressed as suicide murderers, is defined by the press and by
political leaders as a "peace demonstration". You may support or oppose the
Iraq war, but to refer to fans of Saddam, Arafat or Bin Laden as peace
activists is a bit too much. A woman walks into an Israeli restaurant in
mid-day, eats, observes families with old people and children eating their
lunch in the adjacent tables and pays the bill. She then blows herself up,
killing 20 people, including many children, with heads and arms rolling
around in the restaurant. She is called "martyr" by several Arab leaders and
"activist" by the European press. Dignitaries condemn the act but visit her
bereaved family and the money flows.

There is a new game in town: The actual murderer is called "the military
wing", the one who pays him, equips him and sends him is now called "the
political wing" and the head of the operation is called the "spiritual
leader". There are numerous other examples of such Orwellian nomenclature,
used every day not only by terror chiefs but also by Western media.  These
words are much more dangerous than many people realize. They provide an
emotional infrastructure for atrocities. It was Joseph Goebels who said that
if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. He is now being
outperformed by his successors.

3. The third aspect is money.

Huge amounts of money, which could have solved many social problems in this
dysfunctional part of the world, are channeled into three concentric spheres
supporting death and murder.

In the inner circle are the terrorists themselves. The money funds their
travel, explosives, hideouts and permanent search for soft vulnerable
targets. The inner circles are primarily financed by terrorist states like
Iran and Syria, until recently also by Iraq and Libya and earlier also by
some of the Communist regimes. These states, as well as the Palestinian
Authority, are the safe havens of the wholesale murder vendors.

They are surrounded by a second wider circle of direct supporters, planners,
commanders, preachers, all of whom make a living, usually a very comfortable
living, by serving as terror infrastructure.

Finally, we find the third circle of so-called religious, educational and
welfare organizations, which actually do some good, feed the hungry and
provide some schooling, but brainwash a new generation with hatred, lies and
ignorance. This circle operates mostly through mosques, madrasas and other
religious establishments but also through inciting electronic and printed
media. It is this circle that makes sure that women remain inferior, that
democracy is unthinkable and that exposure to the outside world is minimal.
It is also that circle that leads the way in blaming every-body outside the
Moslem world, for the miseries of the region. The outer circle is largely
financed by Saudi Arabia, but also by donations from certain Moslem
communities in the United States and Europe and, to a smaller extent, by
donations of European Governments to various NGO's and by certain United
Nations organizations, whose goals may be noble, but they are infested and
exploited by agents of the outer circle. The Saudi regime, of course, will
be the next victim of major terror, when the inner circle will explode into
the outer circle. The Saudis are beginning to understand it, but they fight
the inner circles, while still financing the infrastructure at the outer
circle.

Figuratively speaking, this outer circle is the guardian, which makes sure
that the people look and listen inwards to the inner circle of terror and
incitement, rather than to the world outside. Some parts of this same outer
circle actually operate as a result of fear from, or blackmail by, the inner
circles. The horrifying added factor is the high birth rate. Half of the
population of the Arab world is under the age of 20, the most receptive age
to incitement, guaranteeing two more generations of blind hatred.

Some of the leaders of these various circles live very comfortably on their
loot. You meet their children in the best private schools in Europe, not in
the training camps of suicide murderers. The Jihad "soldiers" join packaged
death tours to Iraq and other hotspots, while some of their leaders ski in
Switzerland. Mrs. Arafat, who lives in Paris with her daughter, receives
tens of thousands of dollars per month from the allegedly bankrupt
Palestinian Authority, while a typical local ringleader of the Al-Aksa
brigade, reporting to Arafat, receives only a cash payment of a couple of
hundred dollars, for performing murders at the retail level.

4. The fourth element of the current world conflict is the total breaking of
all laws.

The civilized world believes in democracy, the rule of law, including
international law, human rights, free speech and free press, among other
liberties. There are naïve old-fashioned habits such as respecting religious
sites and symbols, not using ambulances and hospitals for acts of war,
avoiding the mutilation of dead bodies and not using children as human
shields or human bombs. Never in history, not even in the Nazi period, was
there such total disregard of all of the above as we observe now. Every
student of political science debates how you prevent an anti-democratic
force from winning a democratic election and abolishing democracy. Other
aspects of a civilized society must also have limitations. Can a policeman
open fire on someone trying to kill him? Can a government listen to phone
conversations of terrorists and drug dealers?  Does free speech protects you
when you shout "fire" in a crowded theater? Should there be death penalty,  
for deliberate multiple murders? These are the old-fashioned dilemmas. But
now we have an entire new set.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2005, 08:17:10 AM »
Do you raid a mosque, which serves as a terrorist ammunition storage? Do you
return fire, if you are attacked from a hospital? Do you storm a church
taken over by terrorists who took the priests hostages? Do you search every
ambulance after a few suicide murderers use ambulances to reach their
targets? Do you strip every woman because one pretended to be pregnant and
carried a suicide bomb on her belly? Do you shoot back at someone trying to
kill you, standing deliberately behind a group of children? Do you raid
terrorist headquarters, hidden in a mental hospital?  Do you shoot an
arch-murderer who deliberately moves from one location to another, always
surrounded by children? All of these happen daily in Iraq and in the
Palestinian areas. What do you do? Well, you do not want to face the
dilemma. But it cannot be avoided.

Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that someone would openly stay in a
well-known address in Teheran, hosted by the Iranian Government and financed
by it, executing one atrocity after another in Spain or in France, killing
hundreds of innocent people, accepting responsibility for the crimes,
promising in public TV interviews to do more of the same, while the
Government of Iran issues public condemnations of his acts but continues to
host him, invite him to official functions and treat him as a great
dignitary. I leave it to you as homework to figure out what Spain or France
would have done, in such a situation.

The problem is that the civilized world is still having illusions about the
rule of law in a totally lawless environment. It is trying to play ice
hockey by sending a ballerina ice-skater into the rink or to knock out a
heavyweight boxer by a chess player. In the same way that no country has a
law against cannibals eating its prime minister, because such an act is
unthinkable, international law does not address killers shooting from
hospitals, mosques and ambulances, while being protected by their Government
or society. International law does not know how to handle someone who sends
children to throw stones, stands behind them and shoots with immunity and
cannot be arrested because he is sheltered by a Government. International
law does not know how to deal with a leader of murderers who is royally and
comfortably hosted by a country, which pretends to condemn his acts or just
claims to be too weak to arrest him.

The amazing thing is that all of these crooks demand protection under
international law, and define all those who attack them as "war criminals,"
with some Western media repeating the allegations.

The good news is that all of this is temporary, because the evolution of
international law has always adapted itself to reality. The punishment for
suicide murder should be death or arrest before the murder, not during and
not after. After every world war, the rules of international law have
changed, and the same will happen after the present one. But during the
twilight zone, a lot of harm can be done.

The picture I described here is not pretty. What can we do about it? In the
short run, only fight and win. In the long run - only educate the next
generation and open it to the world. The inner circles can and must be
destroyed by force.

The outer circle cannot be eliminated by force. Here we need financial
starvation of the organizing elite, more power to women, more education,
counter propaganda, boycott whenever feasible and access to Western media,
internet and the international scene. Above all, we need a total absolute
unity and determination of the civilized world against all three circles of
evil.

Allow me, for a moment, to depart from my alleged role as a taxi driver and
return to science. When you have a malignant tumor, you may remove the tumor
itself surgically. You may also starve it by preventing new blood from
reaching it from other parts of the body, thereby preventing new "supplies"
from expanding the tumor. If you want to be sure, it is best to do both.

But before you fight and win, by force or otherwise, you have to realize
that you are in a war, and this may take Europe a few more years.

In order to win, it is necessary to first eliminate the terrorist regimes,
so that no Government in the world will serve as a safe haven for these
people.

I do not want to comment here on whether the American-led attack on Iraq was
justified from the point of view of weapons of mass destruction or any other
pre-war argument, but I can look at the post-war map of Western Asia. Now
that Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are out, two and a half terrorist states
remain: Iran, Syria and Lebanon, the latter being a Syrian colony. Perhaps
Sudan should be added to the list. As a result of the conquest of
Afghanistan and Iraq, both Iran and Syria are now totally surrounded by
territories unfriendly to them. Iran is encircled by Afghanistan, by the
Gulf States, Iraq and the Moslem republics of the former Soviet Union. Syria
is surrounded by Turkey, Iraq, Jordan and Israel. This is a significant
strategic change and it applies strong pressure on the terrorist countries.
It is not surprising that Iran is so active in trying to incite a *****e
uprising in Iraq. I do not know if the American plan was actually to
encircle both Iran and Syria, but that is the resulting situation.

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2005, 08:18:16 AM »
In my humble opinion, the number one danger to the world today is Iran and
its regime. It definitely has ambitions to rule vast areas and to expand in
all directions. It has an ideology, which claims supremacy over Western
culture. It is ruthless. It has proven that it can execute elaborate
terrorist acts without leaving too many traces, using Iranian Embassies. It
is clearly trying to develop nuclear weapons. Its so-called moderates and
conservatives play their own virtuoso version of the "good-cop versus
bad-cop" game. Iran sponsors Syrian terrorism, it is certainly behind much
of the action in Iraq, it is fully funding the Hezbollah and, through it,
the Palestinian Hamas and Islamic Jihad, it performed acts of terror at
least in Europe and in South America and probably also in Uzbekistan and
Saudi Arabia and it truly leads a multi-national terror consortium, which
includes, as minor players, Syria, Lebanon and certain *****e elements in
Iraq. Nevertheless, most European countries still trade with Iran, try to
appease it and refuse to read the clear signals.

In order to win the war it is also necessary to dry the financial resources
of the terror conglomerate. It is pointless to try to understand the subtle
differences between the Sunni terror of Al Qaeda and Hamas and the *****e
terror of Hezbollah, Sadr and other Iranian inspired enterprises. When it
serves their business needs, all of them collaborate beautifully.

It is crucial to stop Saudi and other financial support of the outer circle,
which is the fertile breeding ground of terror. It is important to monitor
all donations from the Western World to Islamic organizations, to monitor
the finances of international relief organizations and to react with
forceful economic measures to any small sign of financial aid to any of the
three circles of terrorism.

It is also important to act decisively against the campaign of lies and
fabrications and to monitor those Western media who collaborate with it out
of naivety, financial interests or ignorance.

Above all, never surrender to terror. No one will ever know whether the
recent elections in Spain would have yielded a different result, if not for
the train bombings a few days earlier. But it really does not matter. What
matters is that the terrorists believe that they caused the result and that
they won by driving Spain out of Iraq. The Spanish story will surely end up
being extremely costly to other European countries, including France, who is
now expelling inciting preachers and forbidding veils and including others
who sent troops to Iraq. In the long run, Spain itself will pay even more.

Is the solution a democratic Arab world?

If by democracy we mean free elections but also free press, free speech, a
functioning judicial system, civil liberties, equality to women, free
international travel, exposure to international media and ideas, laws
against racial incitement and against defamation, and avoidance of lawless
behavior regarding hospitals, places of worship and children, then yes,
democracy is the solution.

If democracy is just free elections, it is likely that the most fanatic
regime will be elected, the one whose incitement and fabrications are the
most inflammatory. We have seen it already in Algeria and, to a certain
extent, in Turkey. It will happen again, if the ground is not prepared very
carefully. On the other hand, a certain transition democracy, as in Jordan,
may be a better temporary solution, paving the way for the real thing,
perhaps in the same way that an immediate sudden democracy did not work in
Russia and would not have worked in China.

I have no doubt that the civilized world will prevail. But the longer it
takes us to understand the new landscape of this war, the more costly and
painful the victory will be. Europe, more than any other region, is the key.
Its understandable recoil from wars, following the horrors of World War II,
may cost thousands of additional innocent lives, before the tide will turn."
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 08:19:30 AM »
Sorry for the cut and paste, was an email from a close friend that I wanted to share with you all.  

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2005, 01:50:48 PM »
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Sorry for the cut and paste, was an email from a close friend that I wanted to share with you all.  

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I have read this before, it is very interesting.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2005, 02:15:45 PM »
Mmmm...you can imagine the stunned silence after the speech...the single gunshot and the chairman, saying, 'oh yes, where were we? The terrorism of Israel'.

Ravs

p.s. very good post, thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2005, 02:20:01 PM »
durka durka durka allah akbar!
I am not ashamed to confess that I am ignorant of what I do not know.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2005, 03:27:55 PM »
A world at peace is heaven to terrorists.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2005, 04:49:44 PM »
Very good post.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2005, 04:58:59 PM »
That guy isn't arab, he's israeli.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2005, 05:07:01 PM »
Yes, first Arab called "Haim" I've ever heard of. And the first to head the Weizmann institute.

Perhaps the heading:

"View of the Arab world by an Israeli professor" doesn't sound so catchy ;)