Who you think that invented the first plane?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
Who is true, don't fear
Much of the controversy with regard to Santos-Dumont vs. the Wrights arose from the difference in their approaches to publicity.

the aviation world (of which Paris was the center at the time) witnessed the products of Santos' work first hand. As a result, many members French and other Europeans dismissed the Wrights as frauds  

Sounds more like typical French self rightous arrogance to me.

the emphasis seems to be on "Public" flights.
And more pointedly. Public flights in front of the French.

Soprry but as far as Im concerned. a Photograph taken in 1903 (didnt they also have somone capture it on moving pictures also?) is just as good as doing it in front of a large audience in 1906

Napoleon, and Mediocre wine. THATS Frances claim to fame.
Havent done very much  before or since.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Henrique Jitsu
There are parachutes, kites, lighter than air craft (balloons/airships), gliders and powered aircraft, which all have some ability to fly.



People that claim to be the first who flew:

    * John Stringfellow, England — 1848
    * Alexander Feodorovich Mozhaiski, Russian Empire — 1884
    * Clement Ader, France — October 9, 1890
    * Otto Lilienthal, Germany — 1891
    * Gustave Whitehead, Germany/United States — August 14, 1901
    * Lyman Gilmore, United States — May 15, 1902
    * Richard Pearse, New Zealand — March 31, 1903
    * Karl Jatho, Germany — August 18, 1903
    * Orville & Wilbur Wright, United States — December 17, 1903
    * Traian Vuia, Romania — March 18, 1906
    * Jacob Ellehammer, Denmark — September 12, 1906
    * Alberto Santos-Dumont, Brazil/France — November 12, 1906


Note that the claims just stoped after santos dumont, which was the only one who proved and even filmed his flight

Let me get this right, your claim is that all the flights the Wright brothers did between December 1903 and November 1906 never occured and that first real flight was by Dumont in 1906?

I just want to make it perfectly clear that I think you're either a willful liar or a crazy person, because nobody could be that innocently stupid.

[deSelys]

I don't agree with the kid, but he never claimed that, GH. You should work on your reading skills.

[GRUNHERZ]

I think he has been pretty consistent in saying that thew wright brothers did not build a flying plane before Dumont.

Now did he specifically write out exactly what I said no, but thats the obvious implication of his argument, and hence the BS check from me.

[deSelys]

He's only 15 and has obviously read a lot about the subject before posting, go easy on him. After all, I can still post pretty dumb things at more than twice his age.

[mora]

Originally posted by mora
IMO Santos Dumont could have been first, but the Wright Flyer was a far superior design.

I take this one back. I somehow had the idea that SF claimed to have made a flight before the Wright Brothers. As it was only in 1906 there's no doubt about it.

[straffo]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Sounds more like typical French self rightous arrogance to me.

the emphasis seems to be on "Public" flights.
And more pointedly. Public flights in front of the French.

Soprry but as far as Im concerned. a Photograph taken in 1903 (didnt they also have somone capture it on moving pictures also?) is just as good as doing it in front of a large audience in 1906

Napoleon, and Mediocre wine. THATS Frances claim to fame.
Havent done very much  before or since.

Except the poster is not french.

Or we did invade Brazil last night ?

[ChickenHawk]

There is little doubt that this Alberto Santos Dummont guy was a great aviation pioneer.  And if you want to say that he was the first to fly before a public crowd well go right ahead.

But there is no doubt that the Wright Brothers were the first in the air.  Just because they didn't have a great public crowd doesn't detract from that in the least.

Even France has admitted that the Wrights were first.  Brazil is about the only country still hanging on to that faint hope that the world will somehow come around to their point of view.  It's was a century ago, I think it's time to let it go.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by straffo

Or we did invade Brazil last night ?

Yes you did actually.....then immediatly surrendered.  That's why it didn't make the news.....damn media bias.  

[deSelys]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yes you did actually.....then immediatly surrendered.  That's why it didn't make the news.....damn media bias.  

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[Furball]

Kayley.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by deSelys
Henrique, do you like Steve Ray Vaughan? (just a short test needed by an arising doubt...)