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Offline RAIDER14

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« on: December 11, 2005, 11:22:44 PM »
When AA flew out of Love Field everything was all fine and dandy but when they moved to DFW the went and cried to the FAA and said
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We are loseing money becuase our prices are too high and Southwest is makeing more money than us

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 11:36:01 PM »
Is hitech a journalist now who refuses to use spell check or is that your synopsis your quoting?

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 11:43:36 PM »
nope that qoute was from a former AA pilot they layedd him off so he turn coated and now he flies for SWA

note:this pilot is not me just a friend of mine

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 11:52:10 PM »
"Turncoat" really doesn't apply.  He's a professional and regardless if he's furloughed he's free to go wherever he wants.

Is he the key to your jumpseat benefits?

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2005, 04:05:59 AM »
Repealing the Amendment is going to create the same fiasco the region saw in the '50s and '60s, where Love Field and Meacham International fought head to head for airline dollars. They could make it "Love National" and "Fort Worth International" and things would be all set, methinks.

If the Wright Amendment gets busted, American Airlines will do the same thing to Southwest that they did to Legend. They'll start service out of Love with low fares and overworked routes, drive Southwest out of business, and pull out.

Southwest states their business model won't let them fly from DFW. I, personally, don't see why this is. They have operated for many years without any real competition, and now they want to play with the big boys, but not compete. So, they want to alter the economy of the entire region to suit their business model rather than doing what every other airline did in '73. The Amendment doesn't apply to Southwest. It applies to Love Field. There's going to be six low-cost carriers flying out of DFW come next year...and they ain't needed Congress' support for it.

I firmly believe that if Southwest gets what it wants, it ain't going to be able to compete.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 11:54:58 AM »
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drive Southwest out of business, and pull out.

 


drive SW out of biz? that'll be the day.

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2005, 12:56:03 PM »
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If the Wright Amendment gets busted, American Airlines will do the same thing to Southwest that they did to Legend. They'll start service out of Love with low fares and overworked routes, drive Southwest out of business, and pull out.


I think southwest controls the majority of the gates at Love field...  American Airlines doesn't have a chance, unless they can open additional gates a Love field... Other carriers already there, won't give those gates up for free...

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2005, 12:58:11 PM »
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When AA flew out of Love Field everything was all fine and dandy but when they moved to DFW the went and cried to the FAA and said


It is a sure fire way to end up with a plane off the runway near love field.

We all ready have too much traffic at Love, we do not need any extra flights.

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 04:43:23 PM »
Braniff 747s flew into and out of love field and they landed safely so little chance of incidents at Love


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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2005, 04:55:11 PM »


I remember reading a Len Morgan story where he was on a crew on one of said Braniff 747s out of love on his first trip from that airport.  They used rwy 31R for takeoff and rotated after crossing 18/36.

Like Deadmeat said.."I'm in a jet what could go wrong?"

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2005, 04:57:19 PM »
Anyways...

Can I get some SWA jumpseat footage to turn into a video?  I'd like to see them taxiing around live and from your point of view in the front office.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2005, 05:44:30 PM »
:( sorry videos aren't from digital camcorder there vhs

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2005, 08:06:17 PM »
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I think southwest controls the majority of the gates at Love field...  American Airlines doesn't have a chance, unless they can open additional gates a Love field... Other carriers already there, won't give those gates up for free...


American does have gates there, have had for some time. They don't fly out of there because of the Wright Amendment and because a majority of their business is from DFW. They've already stated that if the Wright Amendment gets repealed, they'll reopen their gates and start service from there again.

Southwest believes that the Amendment is denying them business and that American Airlines is abusing a monoply at DFW. They feel that American is only lobbying to keep the Amendment active so they won't have to compete with Southwest, handcuffing the airline to local airspace.

The fact is, American and DFW, as well as the city of Fort Worth, are all lobbyists for the Amendment. Residents of Dallas who live near Love are also supporters. Southwest Airlines are the primary opponents of the Amendment. The reason DFW supports the Amendment is that the airport, the third business in the nation, is the primary economic engine of the north Texas area. Thousands of people are employed at the airport, and billions of dollars a year flow through it every year. The main fear of the Wright Amendment's repeal is that is will create more traffic around Love, more airline traffic in the air, and a decline in the number of flights going out of DFW.

DFW was a joint project by both Dallas and Fort Worth, creating an international airport between both cities and closing down service at Greater Southwest International and Love Field because neither airport was able to meet the expected demands of the FAA. So, the FAA stopped federal funding of both airports. Both cities restricted service out of those fields when DFW was complete.

When Southwest came along in 1971, they operated with a very quick, no frills business style, and feared that a long drive to DFW would hurt their business. So, they filed suit to stay at Love and in turn got what they wanted. When deregulation came about, Southwest wanted to expend their business. DFW, American Airlines, Fort Worth, and Braniff resented this and the Wright Amendment came soon after.

The problem, Southwest and opponents of the Amendmet say, is that it infaltes fares at DFW and allows American to charge higher fares. Supporters say that repealment only benefits Dallas and Southwest, leaving Fort Worth with the short end of the stick. They feel it's unfair to deny them use of an airport they helped pay for. Carriers will split their service between the airports, fares will fluctuate due to increasd competition, and we'll see the same competition we saw with Greater Southwest and Love. Southwest Airlines would be in the same position at Love that American is at DFW. They hold a semi-monoply with the amout of gates they have there. Love is, for lack of a better word, Southwest Field. Southwest, is Dallas Airlines.

Now, I'm not old enough to know that competition, but I'm told it was rather fierce. I, personally, am a supporter of the Amendment because Southwest has not proven its case to me. The Amedment does not limit Southwest, it limits Love. If Southwest wants to fly interstate, then perhaps they should...

...move?
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2005, 09:08:25 PM »
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Braniff 747s flew into and out of love field and they landed safely so little chance of incidents at Love


running off the runway was more of a bad joke.

The amount of traffic is not. Love field does not need any additional traffic.

BTW it works both ways SWA can easily fly out of DFW but they do not want to pay the additional gate charges.