UN map has removed Israel

[Nilsen]

This is no place for free-thinkers, tree-huggers or peace-lovers Saintaw!! get with the progamme frenchie!!!

[Fishu]

Originally posted by VOR
Live and let live? Don't get involved? Nah. Didn't work then, doesn't work now. History can teach us many things, not the least of which is "be proactive" and that civil discussion with uncivilized people will accomplish nothing.

Well... the US was involved in embargo against japanese..
Doesn't sound so isolationistic politics..

[lazs2]

momus is probly correct on the map thing but then...

That is no reason to not move the UN to finland.  And certainly no reason to not bash the evil organization.

lazs

[Jackal1]

The Un is like a fart in a crowded bar. No one openly wants to claim it, but most everyone wants to fan it away.

[storch]

Originally posted by Jackal1
The Un is like a fart in a crowded bar. No one openly wants to claim it, but most everyone wants to fan it away.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Krusher
It looks like the UN has the same opinion of Israel as the current leader of Iran. Its no wonder some of us do not trust their judgement.  I certainly hope Bolton can push through the reforms he is working on, but I doubt it.





This map was prominently displayed by the UN on November 29, 2005 at a public gathering at UN Headquarters, in the presence of all top three UN officials, the Secretary General, and the Presidents of the UN Security Council and the General Assembly. It purports to be a "map of Palestine." Israel, a UN member state for 56 years, is not on the map. Even the UN General Assembly partition lines of November 29, 1947 marking a Jewish and Arab state, which pre-date this 1948 map, do not appear.

Sweet bait, whre'd you buy it at?

Karaya

[Saintaw]

5 - Karaya makes this thread much more readable by quoting a wall of... pic'shures.

bravo, you are contributing!

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Momus--
As for the UN endorsing the removal of Israel? Give me a break. Here is a Link to the statement from the UN General Secretary made on the occasion of the U.N. Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People referred to above. Can one of you knee jerkers find the part where he endorses the removal of Israel? No, because all you have is one photo of a map with no context provided by a poster who is either too lazy or too bigoted to research before posting such contentious drivel.

"Even the UN General Assembly partition lines of November 29, 1947 marking a Jewish and Arab state, which pre-date this 1948 map, do not appear. "

Give me a break, they host an official day
"U.N. Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People"
And prominently display a map without Israel on it. That may not be an endorsment but it is a blatant way to take sides.



Is that the UN's job?

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sweet bait, whre'd you buy it at?

Karaya

buy it?

It came from the official photos at the UN.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Krusher
buy it?

It came from the official photos at the UN.

No, you said it was from the "Wall Street Journal".

Is the bait from Wal-Mart?

Karaya

[Dead Man Flying]

Since when does the Wall Street Journal use photographs?  

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Krusher
"Even the UN General Assembly partition lines of November 29, 1947 marking a Jewish and Arab state, which pre-date this 1948 map, do not appear. "

Give me a break, they host an official day
"U.N. Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People"
And prominently display a map without Israel on it. That may not be an endorsment but it is a blatant way to take sides.

Well seeing that Israel originally based the legitimacy of its founding on a 1947 decision by the UN General Assembly, and given that the same assembly later made a decision to mark November 29th as International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, I'm not sure what your problem is, other than to be quite selective as to which UNGA decisions you respect and which ones you don't.

Do you have an equal problem with the UN designating 27th January as the Annual Holocaust Memorial Day?

The map in question is an historical record, not a statement of intent. As I posted above, you won't find a modern map that shows the extent of the impact on the Arab population that the 1947 partition had.

If you insist on sticking to your initial statement that by hosting this event the UN "has the same opinion of Israel as the current leader of Iran", doubtless you can produce other evidence to this effect other than an unattributed photograph and commentary lifted word for word from an anti-UN website?

[BigGun]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Since when does the Wall Street Journal use photographs?  

-- Todd/Leviathn

Since they reformatted the look of it few Years back.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Since when does the Wall Street Journal use photographs?  

-- Todd/Leviathn

It was from the opinionjournal online a wallstreet journal editorial site. and after a second look they did not publish them they linked them.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Momus--
I'm not sure what your problem is, other than to be quite selective as to which UNGA decisions you respect and which ones you don't.




Do you have an equal problem with the UN designating 27th January as the Annual Holocaust Memorial Day?



The map in question is an historical record, not a statement of intent. As I posted above, you won't find a modern map that shows the extent of the impact on the Arab population that the 1947 partition had.




If you insist on sticking to your initial statement that by hosting this event the UN "has the same opinion of Israel as the current leader of Iran", doubtless you can produce other evidence to this effect other than an unattributed photograph and commentary lifted word for word from an anti-UN website?

It is not selective at all, you are speculating on something not stated.

I would have a problem with holocaust memorial day if they put up a map that showed Israel in place of Germany.  

The intent is clear, we (the UN) have no credibility when it comes to a two state solution.

Maybe you should post the exact quote before playing lawyer

I said quote:
"It looks like the UN has the same opinion of Israel as the current leader of Iran."

The current leader of Iran has:

Called for Israel's destruction

That the Jewish state should be moved to Europe if the West wants to make up for the Holocaust.

In October that Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map."

So to discredit the picture you discredit the source. How nice, would a video help?

3 min long, but it shows the same thing.

Link

If you believe the UN had no intent behind its picture, thats fine and dandy. It is clear to me this was an intentional slap at Israel.