Patriot act

[SOB]

Well, was he in the city or the country.  I bet he was in the country.  Shoulda read the instructions!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
That's actually why the DHS was created. Fairly certain the "Patriot Act"(the title still gets me) had no role in this.
-SW

Really are you sure about this?  have you actually read it?

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE AND TABLE OF CONTENTS.
(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001'. (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:
Sec. 1. Short title and table of contents.
Sec. 2. Construction; severability.
TITLE I--ENHANCING DOMESTIC SECURITY AGAINST TERRORISM
Sec. 101. Counterterrorism fund.
Sec. 102. Sense of Congress condemning discrimination against Arab and Muslim Americans.
Sec. 103. Increased funding for the technical support center at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Sec. 104. Requests for military assistance to enforce prohibition in certain emergencies.
Sec. 105. Expansion of National Electronic Crime Task Force Initiative.
Sec. 106. Presidential authority.
TITLE II--ENHANCED SURVEILLANCE PROCEDURES
Sec. 201. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications relating to terrorism.
Sec. 202. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses.
Sec. 203. Authority to share criminal investigative information.
Sec. 204. Clarification of intelligence exceptions from limitations on interception and disclosure of wire, oral, and electronic communications.
Sec. 205. Employment of translators by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Sec. 206. Roving surveillance authority under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
Sec. 207. Duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons who are agents of a foreign power.
Sec. 208. Designation of judges.
Sec. 209. Seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants.
Sec. 210. Scope of subpoenas for records of electronic communications.
Sec. 211. Clarification of scope.
Sec. 212. Emergency disclosure of electronic communications to protect life and limb.
Sec. 213. Authority for delaying notice of the execution of a warrant.
Sec. 214. Pen register and trap and trace authority under FISA.
Sec. 215. Access to records and other items under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Sec. 216. Modification of authorities relating to use of pen registers and trap and trace devices.
Sec. 217. Interception of computer trespasser communications.
Sec. 218. Foreign intelligence information.
Sec. 219. Single-jurisdiction search warrants for terrorism.
Sec. 220. Nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence.
Sec. 221. Trade sanctions.
Sec. 222. Assistance to law enforcement agencies.
Sec. 223. Civil liability for certain unauthorized disclosures.
Sec. 224. Sunset.
Sec. 225. Immunity for compliance with FISA wiretap.
TITLE III--INTERNATIONAL MONEY LAUNDERING ABATEMENT AND ANTI-TERRORIST FINANCING ACT OF 2001
Sec. 301. Short title.
Sec. 302. Findings and purposes.
Sec. 303. 4-year congressional review; expedited consideration.
Subtitle A--International Counter Money Laundering and Related Measures
Sec. 311. Special measures for jurisdictions, financial institutions, or international transactions of primary money laundering concern.
Sec. 312. Special due diligence for correspondent accounts and private banking accounts.
Sec. 313. Prohibition on United States correspondent accounts with foreign shell banks.
Sec. 314. Cooperative efforts to deter money laundering.
Sec. 315. Inclusion of foreign corruption offenses as money laundering crimes.
Sec. 316. Anti-terrorist forfeiture protection.
Sec. 317. Long-arm jurisdiction over foreign money launderers.
Sec. 318. Laundering money through a foreign bank.
Sec. 319. Forfeiture of funds in United States interbank accounts.
Sec. 320. Proceeds of foreign crimes.
Sec. 321. Financial institutions specified in subchapter II of chapter 53 of title 31, United States code.
Sec. 322. Corporation represented by a fugitive.
Sec. 323. Enforcement of foreign judgments.
Sec. 324. Report and recommendation.
Sec. 325. Concentration accounts at financial institutions.
Sec. 326. Verification of identification.
Sec. 327. Consideration of anti-money laundering record.
Sec. 328. International cooperation on identification of originators of wire transfers.
Sec. 329. Criminal penalties.
Sec. 330. International cooperation in investigations of money laundering, financial crimes, and the finances of terrorist groups.
Subtitle B--Bank Secrecy Act Amendments and Related Improvements
Sec. 351. Amendments relating to reporting of suspicious activities.
Sec. 352. Anti-money laundering programs.
Sec. 353. Penalties for violations of geographic targeting orders and certain recordkeeping requirements, and lengthening effective period of geographic targeting orders.
Sec. 354. Anti-money laundering strategy.
Sec. 355. Authorization to include suspicions of illegal activity in written employment references.
Sec. 356. Reporting of suspicious activities by securities brokers and dealers; investment company study.
Sec. 357. Special report on administration of bank secrecy provisions.
Sec. 358. Bank secrecy provisions and activities of United States intelligence agencies to fight international terrorism.
Sec. 359. Reporting of suspicious activities by underground banking systems.
Sec. 360. Use of authority of United States Executive Directors.
Sec. 361. Financial crimes enforcement network.
Sec. 362. Establishment of highly secure network.
Sec. 363. Increase in civil and criminal penalties for money laundering.
Sec. 364. Uniform protection authority for Federal Reserve facilities.
Sec. 365. Reports relating to coins and currency received in nonfinancial trade or business.
Sec. 366. Efficient use of currency transaction report system.
Subtitle C--Currency Crimes and Protection
Sec. 371. Bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States.
Sec. 372. Forfeiture in currency reporting cases.
Sec. 373. Illegal money transmitting businesses.
Sec. 374. Counterfeiting domestic currency and obligations.
Sec. 375. Counterfeiting foreign currency and obligations.
Sec. 376. Laundering the proceeds of terrorism.
Sec. 377. Extraterritorial jurisdiction.
TITLE IV--PROTECTING THE BORDER
Subtitle A--Protecting the Northern Border
Sec. 401. Ensuring adequate personnel on the northern border.
Sec. 402. Northern border personnel.
Sec. 403. Access by the Department of State and the INS to certain identifying information in the criminal history records of visa applicants and applicants for admission to the United States.
Sec. 404. Limited authority to pay overtime.
Sec. 405. Report on the integrated automated fingerprint identification system for ports of entry and overseas consular posts.
Subtitle B--Enhanced Immigration Provisions
Sec. 411. Definitions relating to terrorism.
Sec. 412. Mandatory detention of suspected terrorists; habeas corpus; judicial review.
Sec. 413. Multilateral cooperation against terrorists.
Sec. 414. Visa integrity and security.
Sec. 415. Participation of Office of Homeland Security on Entry-Exit Task Force.
Sec. 416. Foreign student monitoring program.
Sec. 417. Machine readable passports.
Sec. 418. Prevention of consulate shopping.
Subtitle C--Preservation of Immigration Benefits for Victims of Terrorism
Sec. 421. Special immigrant status.
Sec. 422. Extension of filing or reentry deadlines.
Sec. 423. Humanitarian relief for certain surviving spouses and children.
Sec. 424. `Age-out' protection for children.
Sec. 425. Temporary administrative relief.
Sec. 426. Evidence of death, disability, or loss of employment.
Sec. 427. No benefits to terrorists or family members of terrorists.
Sec. 428. Definitions.
TITLE V--REMOVING OBSTACLES TO INVESTIGATING TERRORISM
Sec. 501. Attorney General's authority to pay rewards to combat terrorism.
Sec. 502. Secretary of State's authority to pay rewards.
Sec. 503. DNA identification of terrorists and other violent offenders.
Sec. 504. Coordination with law enforcement.
Sec. 505. Miscellaneous national security authorities.
Sec. 506. Extension of Secret Service jurisdiction.
Sec. 507. Disclosure of educational records.
Sec. 508. Disclosure of information from NCES surveys.
TITLE VI--PROVIDING FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORISM, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, AND THEIR FAMILIES
Subtitle A--Aid to Families of Public Safety Officers
Sec. 611. Expedited payment for public safety officers involved in the prevention, investigation, rescue, or recovery efforts related to a terrorist attack.
Sec. 612. Technical correction with respect to expedited payments for heroic public safety officers.
Sec. 613. Public safety officers benefit program payment increase.
Sec. 614. Office of Justice programs.
Subtitle B--Amendments to the Victims of Crime Act of 1984
Sec. 621. Crime victims fund.
Sec. 622. Crime victim compensation.
Sec. 623. Crime victim assistance.
Sec. 624. Victims of terrorism.
TITLE VII--INCREASED INFORMATION SHARING FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION
Sec. 711. Expansion of regional information sharing system to facilitate Federal-State-local law enforcement response related to terrorist attacks.

[Gunslinger]

TITLE VIII--STRENGTHENING THE CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST TERRORISM
Sec. 801. Terrorist attacks and other acts of violence against mass transportation systems.
Sec. 802. Definition of domestic terrorism.
Sec. 803. Prohibition against harboring terrorists.
Sec. 804. Jurisdiction over crimes committed at U.S. facilities abroad.
Sec. 805. Material support for terrorism.
Sec. 806. Assets of terrorist organizations.
Sec. 807. Technical clarification relating to provision of material support to terrorism.
Sec. 808. Definition of Federal crime of terrorism.
Sec. 809. No statute of limitation for certain terrorism offenses.
Sec. 810. Alternate maximum penalties for terrorism offenses.
Sec. 811. Penalties for terrorist conspiracies.
Sec. 812. Post-release supervision of terrorists.
Sec. 813. Inclusion of acts of terrorism as racketeering activity.
Sec. 814. Deterrence and prevention of cyberterrorism.
Sec. 815. Additional defense to civil actions relating to preserving records in response to Government requests.
Sec. 816. Development and support of cybersecurity forensic capabilities.
Sec. 817. Expansion of the biological weapons statute.
TITLE IX--IMPROVED INTELLIGENCE
Sec. 901. Responsibilities of Director of Central Intelligence regarding foreign intelligence collected under Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
Sec. 902. Inclusion of international terrorist activities within scope of foreign intelligence under National Security Act of 1947.
Sec. 903. Sense of Congress on the establishment and maintenance of intelligence relationships to acquire information on terrorists and terrorist organizations.
Sec. 904. Temporary authority to defer submittal to Congress of reports on intelligence and intelligence-related matters.
Sec. 905. Disclosure to Director of Central Intelligence of foreign intelligence-related information with respect to criminal investigations.
Sec. 906. Foreign terrorist asset tracking center.
Sec. 907. National Virtual Translation Center.
Sec. 908. Training of government officials regarding identification and use of foreign intelligence.
TITLE X--MISCELLANEOUS
Sec. 1001. Review of the department of justice.
Sec. 1002. Sense of congress.
Sec. 1003. Definition of `electronic surveillance'.
Sec. 1004. Venue in money laundering cases.
Sec. 1005. First responders assistance act.
Sec. 1006. Inadmissibility of aliens engaged in money laundering.
Sec. 1007. Authorization of funds for dea police training in south and central asia.
Sec. 1008. Feasibility study on use of biometric identifier scanning system with access to the fbi integrated automated fingerprint identification system at overseas consular posts and points of entry to the United States.
Sec. 1009. Study of access.
Sec. 1010. Temporary authority to contract with local and State governments for performance of security functions at United States military installations.
Sec. 1011. Crimes against charitable americans.
Sec. 1012. Limitation on issuance of hazmat licenses.
Sec. 1013. Expressing the sense of the senate concerning the provision of funding for bioterrorism preparedness and response.
Sec. 1014. Grant program for State and local domestic preparedness support.
Sec. 1015. Expansion and reauthorization of the crime identification technology act for antiterrorism grants to States and localities.
Sec. 1016. Critical infrastructures protection.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Wich part do you disagree with?


my point is (if you can't allready guess it) is that most americans hear these key words said in the media nd hear them demonized over and over again and don't have a fricken clue what it entails.  Really I ask pick your part of the patriot act that you hate and discuss it.  To me if you say "I hate the patriot act" it's a pretty broad statment and no more specific that saying I "hate the bill of rights"

There's alot to the patriot act, I'm not completly for it, pick what you like and what you don't like and voice your opinion.....but for god's sake at least take the time to read it.

[Debonair]

"Anti-money" turns me off.
I'm 100% pro-money
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[bj229r]

Originally posted by Shamus
To those who say that warrants take too long to issue, I say BS. In many cases they are faxed to the leo in his car.

Just about every court I know of has a judge on call 24/7.

I dont think it unreasonable to require the leo to swear to the veracity of what is contained in the affidavit, do you?

shamus

OK...there is rag-- umm... gentleman of Eastern extraction in, say, Yemen (whom CIA has been monitoring closely, as he is known to move in AL-Queda circles) and he calls a number in New Jersey. DANG! have to unplug wiretap...we need a court order. Fax the judge! Judge returns fax minutes later....(pretty good response at 3AM) "Turn the tap back on!" "Sorry boss, they already hung up". Get a permanent wiretap on that number....WAIT! Ya cant do that, the wiretap can only be for the owner of THAT number...if someone ELSE uses it, we have to get a court order for THEM too.... Never mind, that number was never used again, for some reason ((Maybe it was a Trak phone) The owner of the phone was a fake ID... we will never know why a known terrorist associate in Yemen called an obscure number in New Jersey.

[storch]

Originally posted by bj229r
OK...there is rag-- umm... gentleman of Eastern extraction in, say, Yemen (whom CIA has been monitoring closely, as he is known to move in AL-Queda circles) and he calls a number in New Jersey. DANG! have to unplug wiretap...we need a court order. Fax the judge! Judge returns fax minutes later....(pretty good response at 3AM) "Turn the tap back on!" "Sorry boss, they already hung up". Get a permanent wiretap on that number....WAIT! Ya cant do that, the wiretap can only be for the owner of THAT number...if someone ELSE uses it, we have to get a court order for THEM too.... Never mind, that number was never used again, for some reason ((Maybe it was a Trak phone) The owner of the phone was a fake ID... we will never know why a known terrorist associate in Yemen called an obscure number in New Jersey.

what many of us fail to understand is that none of us are getting off of this planet alive.  we are each of us going to die.  while I'm alive I want to live my life to the fullest.  I don't fear death because it is inevitable.  long ago I decided not to worry about stuff over which I have no control.  I don't worry about terrorists or about the much more real possibilty that I may die in a car accident or get killed by some punk thug while I'm repairing a gate in the combat zone or simply be killed by my diet.  what does concern me is my responsibility to turn over to my progeny a republic in as good of a healthy condition as the one I was given.  our generation has failed miserably at this.  the best way to get rid of the terrorist threat is to take the fight to them in their homes.

[Hangtime]

I don't buy into the 'Patriot Act'. Even the name is intentionaly misleading. The same 'powers' used to 'fish' for info can and will be used against our citizens at the goverments discretion at any time in the future.

'those who would give up any liberty for a little security are deserving of neither'... ben franklin  

pull the plug on the entire patriot act. all of it. the government does not seek these powers to protect american citizens., they need these powers to protect and insure the survival of the government from whatever flavor of internal 'threat' the governemnt cares to chose at any point in the future. this year it's 'forigein terrorists'. next year it might be 'republican agitators'. if the president or an fbi agent in the field can, at the drop of a hat and the stroke of a pen, initiate 'gestapo' proceedings against an american citizen and usurp the rights of that citizen without due process then we are no longer living in the america our ancestors fought for and died to perserve.

the 'terrorsits' win.  

NSA/CIA/DIA will continue to operate in the shade, without legal sanction, just as they did prior to the patriot act. the difference is they can't use evidence garnered via 'illegal means' to prosecute an american citizen in a US court.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by bj229r
OK...there is rag-- umm... gentleman of Eastern extraction in, say, Yemen (whom CIA has been monitoring closely, as he is known to move in AL-Queda circles) and he calls a number in New Jersey. DANG! have to unplug wiretap...we need a court order. Fax the judge! Judge returns fax minutes later....(pretty good response at 3AM) "Turn the tap back on!" "Sorry boss, they already hung up". Get a permanent wiretap on that number....WAIT! Ya cant do that, the wiretap can only be for the owner of THAT number...if someone ELSE uses it, we have to get a court order for THEM too.... Never mind, that number was never used again, for some reason ((Maybe it was a Trak phone) The owner of the phone was a fake ID... we will never know why a known terrorist associate in Yemen called an obscure number in New Jersey.

While we are putting together "what ifs", a call is placed from a phone in Yemen by a guy known to move in AL-Queda circles to the U.S. and he misdials.

"Ok Mr. Hoover he placed a call to Tulsa and hung up without saying a word, must be some kind of code.

Who is his contact in Tulsa Mr. Ness?

Some guy named bj229r.

Ok Mr. Ness open a file on the suspect and all family members, complete backgrounds, monitor all communications including mail, refer any hate/seditious speech, possible tax evasion, possible substance abuse to the proper federal, state or local departments.

Well Mr. Hoover this bj229r seems to have conections to Al-Queda, to be on the safe side, why dont we just bring him in and question him, we dont even have to charge him and can hold him for months.

If the investigation comes up blank Mr. Ness we will do that, because we know he's up to no good dont we?

shamus

[Dago]

Originally posted by midnight Target
I would like to nominate this as the most overused quote in the history of this BBS...

You know, for all the posting you do, you seem to offer nothing of value, but a lot of negativity aimed at others.

Do you ever originate anything of value?  Anything positive?

[Dago]

Patriot Act in and of itself doesnt worry me.  I dont have anything to worry about, but that doesnt mean I lose sight of the central concern of giving the government too much unchecked power, or sacrificing our rights in exchange for an unmeasured level of additional security.

We have the ability to go to court to get surveillance, wiretaps, etc.  This should be used in all but the most extreme cases, and unchecked invasion of privacy  should not be allowed.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Silat
Please post sources that back up your statement... The reps control Congress. The Patriot Act was initiated during the reign of the Reps. How is it a Dem tool?

Actually if the word out there is correct Bill Clinton wanted this same act put in place during his time in office but it was turned down then as being extremely un-constitutional by the Reps?????

[wrag]

Originally posted by Rotax447
Surprised the heck out of me when she did that.  I took back half the mean things I ever said about her  

Feingold is not Feinstein.................

[storch]

Originally posted by wrag
Actually if the word out there is correct Bill Clinton wanted this same act put in place during his time in office but it was turned down then as being extremely un-constitutional by the Reps?????

yup it was basically a demtool that was canned and revisted after the Pentagon/WTC massacre

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Wich part do you disagree with?

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Well I hope it is revised or they do allow certain intelligence gathering agencies to talk to each other. That's one of the things that was working pretty well with the Patriot Act. It broke down a major wall between the CIA NSA and FBI. They all play on the same team yet before 9/11 they didn't play too well together.

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
That's actually why the DHS was created. Fairly certain the "Patriot Act"(the title still gets me) had no role in this.
-SW

-SW

[SOB]

Originally posted by Dago
You know, for all the posting you do, you seem to offer nothing of value, but a lot of negativity aimed at others.

Do you ever originate anything of value?  Anything positive?

"Howdy Kettle."