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storch

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« on: December 16, 2005, 11:36:37 AM »
the reauthorization of the patriot act was rejected by the senate today.  wtg US senate.

Offline SMIDSY

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 11:38:06 AM »
personally i dont care about "big brother". i am far too boring to be of any interest to the powers that be.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 12:06:09 PM »
I agree!

WTG Senate!


Way to make our country more vulnerable just so the ACLU can feel warm and fuzzy!
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 12:09:28 PM »
Did I miss something or is Mighty1 missing the point?




Nevermind... reading is funda-Mental. My bad.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 12:10:56 PM »
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personally i dont care about "big brother". i am far too boring to be of any interest to the powers that be.


Nah, with your Vespichiland fixation, your are certainly high on their list of the anti-America

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 12:16:09 PM »
a compromise will be reached and the patriot act will continue to protect and defend the country against those people that will try to use our freedoms against us.

I admit its a fine line to walk, and the congress is absolutely correct to debate and argue all the points, but in the end, the situation that gave rise to the patriot act will still be there.....
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 12:18:40 PM »
Anybody else think our government is too stupid and clumsy to actually make good use of the act anyways?

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2005, 12:22:38 PM »
Than damn thing should be folded up till it's all sharp pointy corners and then stuffed up the bellybutton of the commitie that penned it in the first place.

If you think the patriot act makes americans safer then yah live in a fantasy world. It makes government safer, at the cost of our rights to privacy and movement as free citizens.

too high a price.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2005, 12:31:17 PM »
All governments have this innate desire to reach into our pants and check things out.  People (excluding nudists) have this innate desire to keep these things private.

The government does have a mechanism to check; it is called a warrant.  Someone raises their right hand, and swears that I have a plutonium fuel rod in my pants.  The government hands me a warrant, and I hand them my pants.   After a thorough examination, they decide close, but no cigar.

It looks like the person who swore under oath made a mistake, they misspoke themselves, their statement was inoperative.  Of course, we non lawyers just call it lying, and they can be charged with perjury.

System worked pretty good for a few hundred years.  WTG Senate for keeping it in place.

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2005, 12:49:11 PM »
Damn... there might be hope for us after all.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2005, 12:52:05 PM »
If you think the patriot act makes americans safer then yah live in a fantasy world.
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how do you know this hang?  Im curious and am always looking for an educational exchange.  Make me smart in the ways of hangtime and the patriot act......
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2005, 12:58:59 PM »
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Than damn thing should be folded up till it's all sharp pointy corners and then stuffed up the bellybutton of the commitie that penned it in the first place.

If you think the patriot act makes americans safer then yah live in a fantasy world. It makes government safer, at the cost of our rights to privacy and movement as free citizens.

too high a price.
couldn't have said it better myself.  like I said wtg republican senate this was really a demtool anyhow.

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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2005, 01:18:08 PM »
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couldn't have said it better myself.  like I said wtg republican senate this was really a demtool anyhow.


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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2005, 02:13:19 PM »
The problem with the so-called 'patriot act' is that not only did it get wide bipartisan support after 9-11, it also has strong supporters on both the dem and repub side of congress.  Plus the President and most of his high-level homeland security leadership want the patriot act very badly.

Why do they want it?  Because they've been given a tough crappy job (yea, defending the US from itself is a crappy job) and they know that no matter how competently they do their job, if they miss something and another terror attack succeeds, they'll get the blame from the media and majority of Americans who barely know how to read and probably can't even spell "homeland".  So as long as they're going to get blamed anyhow, they might as well have a set of unconstitutional laws that can make their crappy job a little easier.

And then if they ever get caught, they have two full lines of legal defense - First, anything is allowable in the name of homeland security, and second, they were just following orders under the law.  It's how oppressive govts get started, and that's why we have the constitution.  The main problem we have here is that since so much of the patriot act and subsequent spin-off regulations are shrouded in secrecy, it's almost impossible to bring it to the supreme court for a check of it's constitutionality.

What we need is a true patriot to post the entire contents, including all those secret provisions, to the internet.  There are many historical precedents of disgruntled congressmen or staffers doing this, and it's certainly a better use of leaked information than saying who's wife works for the CIA, or what pentagon threat working group is running wargames against which nations.  Let people really see what the govt is doing, and give the supreme court a chance to work as intended.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2005, 02:18:19 PM »
I am not for allowing the government more power into my life...  as such... I am glad the patriot act went down in flames.

besides... if the bad guys get a nuke... they ain't gonna use it in a red area anyway.

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