Author Topic: The Notorious DA Challenge (Read 11066 times)

JMFJ · « **Reply #105 on:** December 19, 2005, 01:44:04 PM »

I wasn't trying to say whether DA has practical base of flying scenarios compared to the MA, nor or was I trying to say that it wasn't.

I think there is alot to learn in the DA, I have one of my squadies go there with me regularly to help me learn some fighting techniques that I can hopefully bring to the table in the MA. It's tough to learn specific combinations, angles, and E-applications when you got someone always flying through for the cherry pick. Now learning how to execute them once you understand them with the cherry pickers on the prowel etc... can only be learned in one place the MA.

What I was trying to point out, there is always someone challenging guys to DA over someone losing a HO, Vulch, etc... It's usually some above average fighter who was dumb enough to go into an HO, or up on a capped field, etc... with some below average fighter. Above average fighter gets pissed off they died and need to go on emergency ego repair ASAP. Call that lesser guy out and make your revenge in the DA, which no one gives a crap about cause it happens 20 times a day.

It's getting old obviously we have alot of guys who don't seem to understand what being a good sport is. As Loony stated on the 200 channel not too long ago "there's is no honor in here". It's like frickin highschool all over again, the best athletes (good sticks) in the game abuse there position as looked up to individuals, and the non-athletic types (bad sticks) run there mouth cause they know you can't do anything about it. Just seems so......... lame.

Although my suggestion was funny I know it would be hard to inforce. But that's the type of midset that would straighten out alot of idiots. Everyone wants to run there mouth until it costs them something, gettin butt physically kicked is usually top of the list (not practical), $$$$$MONEY$$$$$ close second, almost practical.

I feel if there was something tangible & real on the line, people not only would be less inclined to run there mouths. But it would mean something if you won. Of course then again that is still based on the concept that the players in here have an ounce of SHAME.

Example: It would be alot harder for Chi to continue runnin his mouth about how I'm a dweeb, dweebit, dweebor, or whatever version of his extended vocabulary of dweeb he wants to use, when he's payin for me to play.

For I could drop 50 bombs on his head, or blow up his tigers 10 times in a row with my panzer and he still keeps runnin his mouth. But if he was payin for my account I bet he would shud up........

I don't know if I believe this little kids keep wanting to challenge me to DA crap that Chi is spillin. Matter of fact I don't give any weight to anything Chi says, someone who runs there mouth that much on the 200 channel, especially to the extreme he does. Will and in Chi's case already has, lost all respect from most if not the majority of the other players in the game.

I used SHawk as an example cause I haven't ever seen him turn someone down for the DA, and he is a good stick in all aspects of the game. I'm not saying he's the BEST I'm saying you gonna have to earn it to get him. No matter what you guys want to play him as he is a top stick in the game, if he wasn't he wouldn't be able to hold the spot as long as he has. Gaming the game and dweebery might get you to the top in Bombers but it will only get you so far in the fighter mode. If you disagree dethrone him, others wise it's pretty safe to say you can't. Please keep the "I could but I don't want to" comments, It's like voting if you don't participate then you don't have an oppinion. Saying I am #1 in the game is a little different and commands respect , then saying I could be if I wanted too, ya and if uncle Rico could go back in time he would of took state, and gone Pro.

JMFJ

mars01 · « **Reply #106 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:10:24 PM »

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Gaming the game and dweebery might get you to the top in Bombers but it will only get you so far in the fighter mode.

Ummm it's just as easy, don' t fool yourself. Anyone can fly safe at altitude, bug out when things get scary, vulch all night long and fly in the herd. If you do your score will be good, you'll still suck (not you JMF, I ve never seen run into you in MA), but your score will be nice and shiny.

If you think that scores mean anything then you will be wrong like all the rest of the misslead score potatos.

The problem is that the score doesn't take into account the difficulty of the sortie nor does it weight score based on odds. Guys that always fly into bad odds get penalized as well as guys that select fighter but shoot at ack or gvs. There shouldn't even be a Fighter or attack score. If you are attacking ground the score system should know to score that as attack and if you are fighting other planes it should know to score that as fighter.

SlapShot · « **Reply #107 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:16:30 PM »

You're lookin' mighty fine in them jeans...boy!

Gotta say that in your best Mr. T voice ... god that was funny ...

Zazen13 · « **Reply #108 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:17:29 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Ummm it's just as easy, don' t fool yourself. Anyone can fly safe at altitude

Nothing will screw your fighter rank more than flying safe at altitude. Flying safe with alot of altitude = really bad Kills/Time and often really low Kills/Sortie. The fact is, to rank decently in a fighter you must be/go where the 'food' is, which is under 8k.

Zazen

mars01 · « **Reply #109 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:25:36 PM »

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Gotta say that in your best Mr. T voice ... god that was funny ...

Hahahaha I didn't get the Mr T thing at first, that is teh phunny.

Sheesh Zazen will you distort everything. A safe flyer will always have a better score than one that takes risks. The score system rewards one type of gameplay bottom line. If you judge a person skill on score you will be surprised and wrong 90% of the time.

SlapShot · « **Reply #110 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:36:25 PM »

If you disagree dethrone him, others wise it's pretty safe to say you can't. Please keep the "I could but I don't want to" comments, It's like voting if you don't participate then you don't have an oppinion. Saying I am #1 in the game is a little different and commands respect , then saying I could be if I wanted too, ya and if uncle Rico could go back in time he would of took state, and gone Pro.

I can comment because I have been there done that ...

I think it was about 1 and 1/2 to 2 years ago, I (the total newb I was back then) achieved the rank of #10.

It was very easy ... just not very much fun. That was the last time I ever thought about rank ... if a newb who couldn't find his bellybutton with both hands when it came to dogfighting could achieve the rank of #10 ... please ... rank means squat ... it means you can control ANY CV group your wittle heart desires ... thats all.

Anybody can shoot buildings with PT boats ... bomb undefended strat targets with a Stuka ... capture with C-47s and M3s ... camp GV spawn points ... vulch and run with the horde.

I would rather stick sharp pencils in my eyes than try and achieve the #1 rank overall.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #111 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:37:41 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Hahahaha I didn't get the Mr T thing at first, that is teh phunny.

Sheesh Zazen will you distort everything. A safe flyer will always have a better score than one that takes risks. The score system rewards one type of gameplay bottom line. If you judge a person skill on score you will be surprised and wrong 90% of the time.

I'm not judging anyone's skill, I was just pointing out that flying high and safe is not a magical recipe for a wonderfull fighter rank. In fact, ironically, flying low, killing fast and even dying is actually much better for your fighter rank. Anything passed a 4 to 1 K/D ratio really does nothing for your rank, you have reached the point of diminishing returns, attaining a 20 to 1 K/D ratio at the expense of 5 kills/hour and 2 kills/sortie would totally screw your fighter rank. The absolute most efficient way to achieve a high fighter rank is to fly a good climbing plane, kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time as possible then die/ditch/bail so you do not waste time returning to base in a slow plane. So, as long as you can kill an average of 3 or 4 a hop before you die you will have a fantastic fighter rank, I promise.

Actually, now that I think about it this sounds exactly like how you fly! Oh, except for the killing 3 or 4 a hop part.

Zazen

wetrat · « **Reply #112 on:** December 19, 2005, 02:57:59 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I think it was about 1 and 1/2 to 2 years ago, I (the total newb I was back then) achieved the rank of #10.

It was very easy ... just not very much fun. That was the last time I ever thought about rank ... if a newb who couldn't find his bellybutton with both hands when it came to dogfighting could achieve the rank of #10 ... please ... rank means squat ... it means you can control ANY CV group your wittle heart desires ... thats all.

Anybody can shoot buildings with PT boats ... bomb undefended strat targets with a Stuka ... capture with C-47s and M3s ... camp GV spawn points ... vulch and run with the horde.

I would rather stick sharp pencils in my eyes than try and achieve the #1 rank overall.

Yep.. hte last time I put any effort at all into overall rank was back when HTC was giving money to the top15 in early 2003. I flew for rank the first month of that, and after holding on to #1 for about the first week and a half I hated the game so much I stopped playing. Finished the tour with about 20 hours game-time total (but still got my money!).

The whole rank thing is pretty misleading to anyone that puts any stock into it... I routinely wind up in the "top 5" for fighters just doing my thing (only stat I pay attention to is my hit% - I can't get 40% like I did in AH1, but I can try

), but I don't claim or believe that I'm "teh bestest." I think one month last spring I actually had 2 names in the top 5... heh. Means nothing. If you're somewhat above average and fly easy planes like a poossay, you can get a good fighter rank. If you're really good and fly crappy planes on the deck in furballs, you can have a crappy fighter rank. MEANS NOTHING!

YUCCA · « **Reply #113 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:14:36 PM »

Yes lazer you are too good for all of us... lmfao

Lazerr · « **Reply #114 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:17:48 PM »

You all suck, I fly with a mouse and I can promise I would give each and every one of you a run for your money in the DA.

Go into h2h for awhile, and try wheeling your mouse around, using q/w for flaps, a/s/d for rudder, number pad for looking around, and N for shooting, and still have the ability to keep up with a guy using a $100 piece of equipment to move his intardnet plane around.

*zips up pants*

Lazerr · « **Reply #115 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:19:42 PM »

lol Yucca, I can open an h2h room at any time that works for you. Im always up for giving the special kids a little education.

I haven't touched this game in about a month, and I have a strong feeling you'd get your salad tossed.

Lazerr · « **Reply #116 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:23:12 PM »

GreenCloud....

You as well suck, you might be the prom queen on the flight ladder, but I guess that shows there is some type of flaw with the system.

I made a fool out of you my last tour in the game in the MA, and then made a DA challenge that you quickly denied. Share that with your buddies in the flight ladder.

JMFJ · « **Reply #117 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:39:01 PM »

Just flying safe won't get you to the top, you still got Kill/hours to deal with not to mention total score. Both will suffer if you fly too safe, based on those are 2 of your 5 stats your being ranked on for fighters. So you do have to get dirty to accomplish high # rank to a certain degree.

Man now I wish I would of picked a different example of a good stick, hehehe Shawk is very controversial name.

I do have to dissagree that it is easy to have good overall rank, first of all it depends on who's country you on. Anyone please, go look see where the top 100 ranked overall, fighters, bombers, attackers, GV's lye, there are on average 10 of them on bish. The other 90 split between the knights and rooks (this excludes the blue knights cause they switch to much to be considered part of any country, no offense just pointing out consistent mismatching). So if you fly with the masses and where the better pilots are then I'd have to say ya maybe it's easy to keep a high rank. But come fly bish and hold that same rank, I doubt they would or could. I believe that a fighter rank in the top 15 on bish would be a top 10 and possibly 5 if they flew for one of the other country's. So in concept for every furball encounter bish have they face a 1 bish ace for every 4 knight/rook aces, I would call that a pretty hefty multiplier.

I'm not trying to pound chest that being high ranked bish is better than high rank knight or rook. I'm saying your comparing everyone as a whole when not every one as a whole faces the same odds of success.

So all the while dealing with the country factor you also have bailing squadies out, missions, people furballing and capping wrather than protecting goon, not to mention when rooks have 230 guys on, Knights 180, & bish 145 (yesterday). So it may be considered easy to have a good rank, but what about on the underdog country.

I still think it may be easy to hold 1 category by playing safe, but I still am not convinced it's easy to hold all 4, or maybe I'm just on the wrong country.

Thread subject-My main point was, it's always the big dogs mouthin someone who is less than them in skill. Yellin on 200 channel "I'll kik your *** in DA anytime any plane" to someone they know they can beat, ......It's lame. If your so confident of your skill put sumthin on it, you already have the advantage.

JMFJ

Zazen13 · « **Reply #118 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:45:12 PM »

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Originally posted by JMFJ
I do have to dissagree that it is easy to have good overall rank, first of all it depends on who's country you on. Anyone please, go look see where the top 100 ranked overall, fighters, bombers, attackers, GV's lye, there are on average 10 of them on bish. The other 90 split between the knights and rooks But come fly bish and hold that same rank, I doubt they would or could. I believe that a fighter rank in the top 15 on bish would be a top 10 and possibly 5 if they flew for one of the other country's. So in concept for every furball encounter bish have they face a 1 bish ace for every 4 knight/rook aces, I would call that a pretty hefty multiplier.

I'm not trying to pound chest that being high ranked bish is better than high rank knight or rook. I'm saying your comparing everyone as a whole when not every one as a whole faces the same odds of success.

JMFJ

I'm sorry JMFJ you must be incorrect. I too believed and statistically proved the threee countries had very differing demographic ratios of talent. For that I was tarred, feathered and boiled in oil by about 15 guys on this BBS. Do a thread search, I compiled a whole bunch of data from an entire year of MA fighter statistics to support that theory. So, according to the BBS bullies all three countries are exactly the same with the exact same ratio of skilled pilots, fighter statistics mean nothing, you are mistaken, to say otherwise is BLASPHEMY!

Zazen

wetrat · « **Reply #119 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:48:23 PM »

JFMJ, it is NOT HARD to get a high overall rank. AT ALL. I haven't dropped a bomb on anything in almost 3 years, and I guaruntee I could get top 5 bombers/attack. Milk running strats.. that's all it is. Give me a stuka and a fresh, untouched strat with no enemy fields nearby, I'll give you #1 in bombers (don't even think of asking me to prove that - that's how I did it in my rank whoring days --- ie when I was a newb --- and I don't care to repeat it.) Give me a whole bunch of fields with untouched towns and lots of low sissyfires (like every field in AH) and I'll give you #1 in attack. It isn't hard, it isn't fun, it isn't for me, but I've been there, done that. It doesn't matter what country you're on... 99% of the people on every country suck, so don't try to say otherwise.