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Offline bkbandit

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2006, 08:15:09 PM »
Im startin to really hate landin the f4u. Carrier landings is no problem but on the runway its a pain. I must have dead 10 times tryin to land the thing.  ANd its only the corsair, everything else i land no problem

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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2006, 11:03:37 PM »
Lagger, you'll find basic landings get real easy after a while and as you improve your skill you'll want to learn what others have mentioned...that is coming in fast and breaking over the field for a combat landing.  

A mistake lots of folks make is to slow down too early which makes them grapes and easy picking for a typical P51/190/109 zipping in the pork the field.  Coming in as fast as you can gives you some options if there's an nmy in the vicinity so you need to learn it.  In RL the pattern is called the "Break" if you're Navy and the "overhead" if you fly corporate jets like the USAF.  

Here's how you do it.  Come screaming in down the center of the runway at 500 ft (lower is fine also but don't be any higher, it makes slowing down harder), make a last visual check to make sure there are no nmy in the vicinity. If there are then kill them and re-enter the break.  A little past mid-field chop your throttle to idle, roll 90deg (usually to the left) and pull hard enough to be at the edge of blackout.  This is called the Break.  Remember, you want high G and throttle at idle since the most important thing is to bleed off your excess airspeed.  Keep your turn in and G on until you've turned 180 degrees and are headed back the way you came but offset to one side of the runway.  Keep your engine at idle and start dropping flaps as soon as you get below 160.  You don't really need flaps in AH but they do help you slow down.  Just past the end of the runway (the 180) roll toward the runway and turn in as you continue to slow.  Play the turn a bit to line up, drop your gear, use a little throttle to keep from stalling if necessary and plant it on the runway.  Like the others said, get your stick all the way back as soon as you can to lock the tailwheel, this will help keep you straight as you roll out.  

Do pretty much the same thing when you land on the boat except drop your hook (shift G) before you come in over the ship.  Come in behind the boat at 500 ft or lower, break left one or two ship lengths ahead, slow on downwind, and turn to land when you're abeam the ramp (aft end of the ship).  Turning while landing lets you keep sight of the ship as you slow unlike a straight in where you can't see it because of the nose of your plane.  Remember the ship is heading away from you at about 30 kts so turning abeam the ramp works well.  

Again, this isn't the way to learn at first but it's a good tactic for later... with some practice you'll find you can scream in at 400 mph and still land on a dime and be in the tower before the badguys can vulch you. Also, remember some planes slow down better than others.  Spits,  P51's etc. can be hard to slow down so chop throttle early (ME 262 is the worst).  Typhoons, Hurricanes, Hogs (with gear down) all drop speed like rocks.

 Good luck, have fun.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2006, 02:16:01 AM »
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Im startin to really hate landin the f4u. Carrier landings is no problem but on the runway its a pain. I must have dead 10 times tryin to land the thing.  ANd its only the corsair, everything else i land no problem



The Corsair has lots of torque pulling you sideways and its tail has the nasty tendency to try and overtake the nose ("fishtail"). Its one of the hardest planes to land on a runway IMHO.

Try coming in real slow, just above stall, full flaps. Then, when you flare onto the runway, retract two notches of flaps (less lift!) and pull back on your stick to lock tailwheel. Just roll for a bit before you start careful wheelbraking.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2006, 08:06:14 AM »
thanks Mace, I have been working on exactly what you are talking about...I've been picked off a few times trying to land on a hot runway, so your info is appreciated. Seems my plane of choice " the corsair"( I loved black sheep squadron as a kid) is tough to land by what I've read, so I guess when I master that, other planes should be a bit easier maybe.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2006, 09:17:33 AM »
If you want to learn how to land on a CV just go get a B-17 or a C-47 and keep trying to stick the landing on the CV till you get it landing the B-17 on the CV will be alot like landing the F4U on the tarmac. The B-17 has to come in real slow to the CV to land at almost stall speed then right as you pass the edge of the CV you power all back and hit you brakes It is posible to land a B-17 on a CV Ive done it the 17 will take off agin if you have full power and full flaps but for some reason the smaller plane the C-47 wont take off so well. But anyway it will help you to learn to land a F4U on the tarmac and It will give a little help on CV landing. Just give it a try.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2006, 11:31:38 PM »
CV landing is easier in my eyes. U just have to make sure u get that tail hook to catch one of the lines. full flaps and idle the engine(make sure u line up first), the f4u lets down the landing gear at almost 400mph so that not a problem.  Just make sure the ur nose is upo so the prop dont hit, and even if it does as long as u catch the line u landed.

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 01:42:45 AM »
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Im startin to really hate landin the f4u. Carrier landings is no problem but on the runway its a pain. I must have dead 10 times tryin to land the thing.  ANd its only the corsair, everything else i land no problem



instead of using the space bar to brake use the "C" and "V" keys to brake..this is how i brake my a/c cus it also helps me steer the plane using the brakes... if your F4U has tendancies to fishtail use independant braking to to help keep her on the runway...wanna turn right use the right brake... vise-versa for turning left...

just a suggestion...
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2006, 04:01:20 PM »
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CV landing is easier in my eyes. U just have to make sure u get that tail hook to catch one of the lines. full flaps and idle the engine(make sure u line up first), the f4u lets down the landing gear at almost 400mph so that not a problem.  Just make sure the ur nose is upo so the prop dont hit, and even if it does as long as u catch the line u landed.



The gear is not made to land at 400mph niether is the body (i've tried:D ) the gear is ment as a dive brake for bombing. But if you come in to fast you can get that fancy lil slingshot action going on or what happend in my 400mph land i ripped the tail off and went boom.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2006, 12:10:33 AM »
i noe that, i its just easier puting down the gears ealry to slow down and not haveing to worry about them breakin off, alot of time i forget that other planes landin gears r weak and i break  them off, f4u doesnt have this problem and it makes it alot easier.

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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2006, 03:12:26 AM »
man its easy in this gane as long as you end up on the pavement.
i dont even bother with the landing gear anymore unless i want to refuel and rearm. just slow the plane down and drop the flaps. and slide on in. just try to be somewhere around the 150 range and ull make it alright. and its faster than waiting for your brakes to do thier job. its what u need when u got vulchers chillin around ur base.
but if it were me id probably just shoot the vulchers down :P

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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2006, 10:54:45 AM »
What you described earlier was a problem called a groundloop.  When you touch down in the F4U's and other tailwheel airplane you want to lock your tailwheel.  I don't like that we don't have a button for it (or if we do I don't know it!) however if you pull the stick full-back this will lock the tailwheel and help you avoid the groundloop.

2 important items:

Make sure you're on the ground when you do it!
Make sure you're below flying speed...otherwise you're going skyward again and the tailwheel locked doesn't help you in the least :)

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2006, 02:12:28 PM »
come in low and slow,,,120ish...kust as it's about to touch.. kill throttle... landing gear???   who needs it???