collision messages?

[Goth]

I also am having a lot more of the "collision" problem. Two flights in a row last night resulted in instant tower transportation. I'm wondering if this is patch related or if it is more in tune with moving from savvis....if that has happened.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by wipass
tilt,

This last week I took a wing off of an F6F, I saw it happen and I saw the F6F minus a wing.  Thinking that's him out of the fight I  carried on searching for other targets, 30 seconds later he is trying to run me down and by now he has two wings, there was only one F6F in the vacinity and I didn't get a kill message until I killed him for the second time,

strange things are happening

wipass

I would suggest that what ever happened was not a function of the collision model.

If you saw a wing fall off then (I believe) its because your FE recieved a packet  (part of which originated from the F6f's FE) to say that it was without wing........


If it grew another one (and flew is if one were not missing) then the original data was in error........even if your hit sprites suggested that the wing should have fallen off.

I would mention severe lag as a cause but I have never seen dismembered AC reconstruct them selves even if I have seen severe lag apparantly allow wingless fireballs to continue combat.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by ChristCAF
If both planes died during the collision, I would not care so much as we 'both' would die.  But when I get a message that 'they' rammed me and they fly away clean.... that is the part that gets you ticked off.

Interesting, I've never seen the message "{gameid} rammed you" the only message I've seen are "you have collided" and "{gameid} collided with you"

So which message is it?

If it's "you have collided" then yes you collided with him (on your FE) and you take damage.

If it's "{gameid} collided with you" and you take damage then he shot you.

What you have to understand is that if all you see is the 2nd message, the dweeb may have been flying straight at you (on his FE), with no intention of turning away. You don't see it as an impending collision so you don't turn hard away. When he gets real close he starts firing. His FE see bullet hits and a collision, you don't see the collision. So what happens?

1. Bullet hits on his FE causes damage to your plane on your FE.
2. He gets the message "you have collided" and take collision damage.
3. You get the messages "HOST: DweebTard has collided with you" and "HOST: DweebTard shot you down"

On your end it certainly looks like you were killed by his colliding with you but that is not the case. You were killed by gunfire that you did not see because he was so close to you or even shooting past you from your point of view.

As I said in the collision thread in the bug forum, maybe HT needs to put a message "You were killed by weapons fire" in when you get killed. I might clear up some of this confusion. (but I seriously doubt it)

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by Saxman
Tell me about it, I was gunning down a Goon last night, blew some chunks off him, including what looked like a big part of his tail, and he just vanished. No boom, no kill message, just "poof," like he wasn't even there (I've heard other guys on vox saying the same thing, guys just disappearing).

I have on several occasions been tooling around in different aircraft. Things start getting real interesting. Usually a lot of movement involved. And then: HOST CONNECTION LOST. I am sure that I just disappeared on everybodys elses front end. Log back on and not have it happen again. Generally only happens every couple of months or so.

[DoKGonZo]

I've had people ram me for no damage. Once I was in an IL2 I had the same P47 ram me twice and he took no damage.

[wrag]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Sometimes yea, I am
I dont mind the ones where it looks to me like we collided.
The infuriating ones are the ones where on my end we completely miss but I get a collision message as I spiral down to the earth.

By the same token and while less frequent I have also been in situations where to me it was obvious we collided yet didnt get a collision message. Or damage either

Dont know about anyone else but I'm also seeing (and not seeing) ALOT more collisions since last update

I actually WON a collison today!!!!!   1st one in I don't know HOW LONG!

I also had the plane pass far enough away that we couldn't have hit each other on my FE but I got collision and down I went and the other plane kept flying????????

Whats with that????  Thought you HAD to see the collision on your FE to take damage?????

Naturally I didn't have film on at the time.  Now I got a folder filled with film

My ping used to be at 280 but latley it's more like 210.  Dailup at 37.2.

No DSL or cable available here

[killnu]

so tonight, there i was....blasting a la7 from <200, hit him real hard 3 different times and pinged him multiple other times, he flies on...turn to a ki84, laid 2 solid shots into him, he flies on, see both of them minute later in same fight, both come ho at me, hit them both right in prop, ki84 rams me(white message saying he has collided with me), both fly on, both loop over, la7 comes for another ho pass, i try to roll to left, no ping tower.  not a lot of fun.