Why so many people complain that german planes suck but still retains good K/D ratio?

[Pooface]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Hardly

Flying spits is like playing level 1 in connect the dots.
Preschool edition

well ive seen you fly about in la7s reasonably frequently. they're even worse, because you can run away whenever you like

[Glasses]

D-9s used to be able to do that too,although they couldn't maneuver much they had a chance.

Spit XVI our new niki.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by tikky
???

I have NO problem landed 3+ kills in an Emil or Friedrich.  

Karaya

[Hoarach]

The only thing you really see from people in LW planes is get to an altitude of about 20k and just BnZ you to death.  I have seen some people LW that will come in low and turn but it is very rare.

[BlauK]

Hoarach,
it would depend very much on what you yourself fly in. If you favor a well turning plane, naturally the 109:s you meet will use BnZ. If you fly a faster and stiffer plane (hmm.. are there any stuffer ones?) then you could see a 109 turn fighting.  Th efighting style should always depend on the situation, not on the pilot or on his plane alone.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by BlauK
Hoarach,
it would depend very much on what you yourself fly in. If you favor a well turning plane, naturally the 109:s you meet will use BnZ. If you fly a faster and stiffer plane (hmm.. are there any stuffer ones?) then you could see a 109 turn fighting.  Th efighting style should always depend on the situation, not on the pilot or on his plane alone.

Good luck getting people to comprehend this concept, Blauk, believe me I've tried. Some just don't 'get it'.

Zazen

[BigGun]

Could it be people fly LW planes are just high alt, wussie, running, cherry pickin dweebs?

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by BlauK
Hoarach,
it would depend very much on what you yourself fly in. If you favor a well turning plane, naturally the 109:s you meet will use BnZ. If you fly a faster and stiffer plane (hmm.. are there any stuffer ones?) then you could see a 109 turn fighting.  Th efighting style should always depend on the situation, not on the pilot or on his plane alone.

I think you speak to the underlying issue behind some of the Luftwhining.  (Note I said some, not all)

Some folks are expecting the LW birds to turn with Spits.  For the most part, in particular when things get slow, they don't win those fights.  

That being said, I was always low and slow in the Emil last night and turn/stall fighting in it against Spits and the instability worked to my advantage as it did drop a wing fast and nose down inside the turns.  I suppose I was flying it like a fly a Spit.  It worked for me for what it's worth.

[Hoarach]

Ive noticed really that Ive broaden the planes I fly a little bit by using the 51 for a change from my 38.  LW planes run from my 38 so I took a 51 to see if it would change at all figuring that especially the 109 should be able to outmanuever the 51.  No luck, the LW pilots still run.

[1K3]

Originally posted by BigGun
Could it be people fly LW planes are just high alt, wussie, running, cherry pickin dweebs?

NO, you are talking about FW-190!:D

109s (depending on what model) can still give u a fair fite.

[Numberz]

As much as i love my 109, its definatly not a turner.

Good speed, climbrate, guns make it amazing at give and go attacks.
Fair defense and menuverabilty make not suited for turn fights, but good for give and goes.
Bad view and Poor rudder make it horible for turn fights, but dont really effect anything else.

And dont call me a luft whiner, just saying but the plane does have some modeling probs.
... I dont use my 109 for high alt flights either, i leave that for my p51.

Sure pick on the germans because we own you.

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Numberz


Sure pick on the germans because we own you.

Out of 80 deaths (excluding tanks and puff ack) Ive died only 5 times to German planes.  Most of my deaths come from ostys, lgay7s, and spit 16s.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Hoarach


Out of 80 deaths (excluding tanks and puff ack) Ive died only 5 times to German planes.  Most of my deaths come from ostys, lgay7s, and spit 16s.

That's likely due to the fact there's 20 times the number of Spit16's and Lgays in the air as LW stuff, it's just a matter of mathematical probabilities.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Ive noticed really that Ive broaden the planes I fly a little bit by using the 51 for a change from my 38.  LW planes run from my 38 so I took a 51 to see if it would change at all figuring that especially the 109 should be able to outmanuever the 51.  No luck, the LW pilots still run.

The P51 so owns Fw190s in anything resembling a turnfight it's not even funny. Those flaps on the pony are waaaaay more than a Fw190 can handle. If you want LW stuff to turnfight you should try a Typhoon or a Jug. I've rarely had a LW plane turn-down an offer to dance while in either one.

Zazen

[NoBaddy]

What has really killed 109s for me is the gunnery changes with AH2. I enjoyed flying them occassionally in AH1. Now, it's kinda pointless (no pun intended ).