Author Topic: Interesting article about CO2 gas emissions/Global warming (Read 963 times)

Monk · « **Reply #30 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:30:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lada
because Bush several times claimed, that he will not support sutch move, because it will damage US economy.

and that is a bad thing?

beet1e · « **Reply #31 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:46:53 AM »

See Rule #4

lada · « **Reply #32 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:50:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Monk
and that is a bad thing?

If you have no clue, what are we talking about, you better read few post back before you will ask smart questions.

Monk · « **Reply #33 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:55:25 AM »

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Originally posted by lada
If you have no clue, what are we talking about, you better read few post back before you will ask smart questions.

Ok, I'll do that. Thank you.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 23, 2005, 12:33:40 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
because Bush several times claimed, that he will not support sutch move, because it will damage US economy.
Shall post zillion links here or you will be happy with this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1440631.stm

May be i got it wrong and he is supporter of emission reduction.
Feel free to show me your interpretation of enviromental evens of last 4 years.

You may want to go back and reread that hoss. This is in reference to kyoto and it`s not being ratified. It has nothing to do with U.S. denying emmision reduction. In other words we don`t need a group to do anything , nor do we need to foot the bill.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 23, 2005, 12:45:38 PM »

See Rule #4

Rotax447 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2005, 12:48:03 PM »

Is there anyone who does not understand this equation? GDP = f(fossil fuel consumption )

A more general equation in physics would be; level of civilization = f(energy consumption)

If the Euros, Russians, and Chinese no longer want the US to be number one, fine. Would you mind telling us who your vote for the new number one will be?

beet1e · « **Reply #37 on:** December 23, 2005, 05:58:28 PM »

Is there anyone who doesn't understand this equation - Too much greenhouse gas = polar icecap meltdown = planet f(****ed)

Yeager · « **Reply #38 on:** December 23, 2005, 06:23:48 PM »

thats quite the equation you got there beet1e.

Rotax447 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 23, 2005, 07:04:29 PM »

Okay, I am ready to do my part to save my planet. I earn $40,100. From that income, I pay a mortgage on my home, pay a loan on my second car, send my children to collage, pay my medical insurance, go to movies, and buy Big Macs.

Here is my problem. At the end of the year, when I write my last check, I have no money left. Unlike governments, I can’t write a check against future earnings. I must have the money in the account to cover the check. I can’t print more money if I run out.

I am sure you understand that I need to know how much money my politicians will take from my income. Without that information, I am well and truly hosed when it comes to paying my bills.

beet1e · « **Reply #40 on:** December 24, 2005, 07:09:33 AM »

Rotax! There are no easy answers. Hoping to get further on with those books over the next few days. See you after the holiday.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 24, 2005, 08:57:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
See Rule #4

ROFLMAO
OK, would "Your Beetleness" be better?
Skuzz, lay off the nog bud.

Merry Christmas to all.
Try not to expell too much greenhouse gas after the big feed.

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 24, 2005, 09:11:00 AM »

no easy answers? He means no answers that don't involve soaking the U.S. citizen in crippling taxes to solve a problem that no one really understands..

It is quite possible that we could cripple the worlds economy and have no effect on glaobal warming at all or.... make it worse.. That is how much we understand the subject at this point.

Also... if you cripple the economy of the major powers... who is going to be bring us the new ideas and research? The U.N.???

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #43 on:** December 24, 2005, 10:16:54 AM »

LOL Jackal! I don't have any problem with being "offbeat", so to speak. It goes without saying that O'Clubbers need a skin like an orange peel!

Lazs - as I learned in my years in IT, the first thing you have to do before you can solve a problem is to understand that problem. With all due seasonal respect, only this month I had to explain to you the difference between toxic vehicle emissions (pre-catalytic converter) and non toxic greenhouse gases (post-catalytic converter). So I think it's fair to say you need to get to grips with the greenhouse gas/global warming issue yourself, before you can start telling others what's what.

I'm wading my way through various books on it right now - dry reading in places, but has to be done.

Merry Christmas all, including jackal, Lazs, Rip, Mash, HMcG, Skuzzy, MP8, and Mr. MP4.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 24, 2005, 10:25:57 AM »

ya know beet... You tell me one thing about co2 and then someone else tells me that we are consuming more of it than we make in the last decade...

I don't think you really do know what is happening. I don't think reading all the available literature will make you understand it any more because I don't think anyone knows all there is to know about it.

I believe that when accurate data is available I will see it. I believe that there will be plenty of time to worry about it and that most "solutions" today are ill advised and half baked and based on doomsday scientists looking for grants to support themselves.

I know that the guy you quote (carl friggin sagan) was a total fraud.

lazs