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Fianna · « **on:** December 23, 2005, 04:42:42 PM »

i'm new, so there might be a reason for the omission of the B-25 from the planes list that i don't know about, but anyways...

can we get a B-25? i can't think of a reason for this not to be in the game... i mean, they've got the B-26... but no B-25?

we'd only need 2 models (or one if 2 is too many). one basic bomber model (probably the "C" or "D" model). the other would be one of the attack models ("G","H", or "J"), imaging going on a strafing run with 14 forward facing .50 cal machine guns...

Treize69 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2005, 05:04:52 PM »

The B-26 is the main argument for not having the B-25. Theres nothing the Mitchell can do that the Marauder can't.

I'm all for having the B-25 with the hard-nose package. But I doubt we will ever see it.

Fianna · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2005, 05:12:01 PM »

then why have the P-40 or F4F?

i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm just saying that that argument doesn't hold much water because of other planes that they've included.

Treize69 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2005, 05:32:46 PM »

"Aces High" not "Medium Bombers High"?

Theres a lot more emphasis put on filling out the fighter planeset before the bomber set. We have a bare bones minimum of choices for bombers compared to fighters, but the game is also geared more toward fighter combat than strategic ops. Just look at the rediculous supply/factory network we have.

Plus, as many people will point out, the only thing the B-25 can offer over the B-26 is novelty. The Marauder is faster and more maneuverable. With the current emphasis on filling out the Northwest European planeset, there are many other aircraft that should, and hopefully will, be added befor the 25.

With the B-26, A-20, and Boston in the game, we will probably not see the B-25 added, if ever, until TOD moves to the Southwest Pacific Theater.

Saxman · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2005, 07:16:03 PM »

A 75mm nose-mounted cannon is a bit more than novelty.

Klum25th · « **Reply #5 on:** December 24, 2005, 12:44:44 AM »

If we do get a B25, I'd like to see the parabombs. Be awsome flying 50ft from the ground and droping bombs with little tiny parachutes and blowing the crap out of, will what could a para bomb blow up in aces high?

But it still be cool to have some parabombs.

frank3 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 24, 2005, 12:56:05 AM »

They would be useful for cities I think, or carpet bombing soft and small targets like gun emplacements.

I believe bomblets like these were also dropped by C-47's during the d-day landings (from the paratroopers, that is) to distract and cofuse the defenders (or even do some damage!)

I have no good information on how the bomblets were dropped, but they were attached on an external rack below the Skytrain. It could contain 20-40 bomblets of 50lbs

Krusty · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2005, 01:01:07 AM »

Speaking of bombers and bomb loads, I'd like to ask if anybody knows of a bomb that was at least a bomb (i.e. not a 1-pounder bomb-lette) that when dropped scattered?

It's annoying that when you drop bombs they don't scatter like the huge formations did when you watch real war footage. Instead of a wide swath we get 3 very neat little paths through a town or base etc.

I'd like some sort of bomb load that scatters out sideways, for carpet bombing. I don't know if these parafrags scatter or spread out but if they do I'm all for it. It would make taking down towns/factories more fun.

frank3 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2005, 01:06:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Speaking of bombers and bomb loads, I'd like to ask if anybody knows of a bomb that was at least a bomb (i.e. not a 1-pounder bomb-lette) that when dropped scattered?

It's annoying that when you drop bombs they don't scatter like the huge formations did when you watch real war footage. Instead of a wide swath we get 3 very neat little paths through a town or base etc.

I'd like some sort of bomb load that scatters out sideways, for carpet bombing. I don't know if these parafrags scatter or spread out but if they do I'm all for it. It would make taking down towns/factories more fun.

Remember that, in real life, the bombs were dropped by the hundreds, thus making it hard to see the 'scatterness'
There's that and the fact that there's rarely wind in Aces High, in real life, the bombs would pass different wind layers.

The Luftwaffe carried cluster bombs (or at least the FW-190's did), 500 kg bombs scattering into about 26 bomblets.

Krusty · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2005, 01:09:38 AM »

Yes, I realize that historically the bombs were scattered because the bombers themselves were, but to correct this I was asking if anybody knew of a munition that fell the same way.

I'm wondering if we can replicate the scattering through a different means (via the munition itself).

Anybody know of anything that would do this?

frank3 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2005, 01:16:15 AM »

Im not sure what you mean, you want the bombs to scatter in Aces High, or just asking why they don't?

Treize69 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2005, 01:41:21 AM »

I think hes referring to when you see combat footage of bombers dropping their ord, the bombs dont fall straight, theres always a few that seem to wobble and drap back (relative to the a/c) or to move out to the sides.

I think a large part of that was the wind and slipstream from other aircraft, neither of which we have modelled.

As for the USEFULNESS of the B-25, I'm not arguing that the low-level ones would be a blast- the B-25H we used to have in WB2 was one of my fav rides. But whenever it gets mentioned, it always gets shot down (so to speak) as being not necessary when we already have other US Medium bombers.

If you've never tried it, there really is nothing like strafing a ship or convoy of vehicles with 12 .50s all firing at once from such a small area. Its like a lead laser beam.

And in the model with only 8 .50s and a 75mm cannon, its a great way to finish a strafing run. A stream of .50 ended with a 75mm cannon shot.

tatatatatatatatatatatatatatat atatatatataBOOM!!!

frank3 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2005, 06:35:40 AM »

I read somewhere that a strafing B-25 (with 75mm) could fire up to 5 rounds, depending on the bombardeers speed!

so that'll be around 20 rpm?

Krusty · « **Reply #13 on:** December 24, 2005, 09:37:45 PM »

Negative frank, they were hand-loaded. Nowhere near that fast. Rough guess (going on WB's -H reload time) it's about 5 seconds between rounds roughly.I've only read accounts that starting at about 2k out a pilot could fire about 3 shots in a single attack run, then repeat.

EDIT: Oh and my question was simply "is there a type of bomb that scatters when dropped?" So that when bombing cities with small bombs the bombs would spread out a bit instead of being in a straight line. Like a skip bomb skips, I was asking if there was one that simply "scattered".

Mugzeee · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2005, 10:09:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
"Aces High" not "Medium Bombers High"?

Theres a lot more emphasis put on filling out the fighter planeset before the bomber set. We have a bare bones minimum of choices for bombers compared to fighters, but the game is also geared more toward fighter combat than strategic ops. Just look at the rediculous supply/factory network we have.

Plus, as many people will point out, the only thing the B-25 can offer over the B-26 is novelty. The Marauder is faster and more maneuverable. With the current emphasis on filling out the Northwest European planeset, there are many other aircraft that should, and hopefully will, be added befor the 25.

With the B-26, A-20, and Boston in the game, we will probably not see the B-25 added, if ever, until TOD moves to the Southwest Pacific Theater.

Not to be rude. But start another thread if you want to request something for the "Wish List". I mean...you did well explaining the reasons we prolly do not have the B25 as of yet. But the personal agenda kinda sliped out

regards