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TheWobble

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Seen the film shot earlier of the F8?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2001, 12:17:00 AM »
Ahh here we go....

- The villagers rushed to the scene with clubs in hand, and shouting, "Let Us Knock Down American Imperialist Wolves!" (a Language Textbook for the 2nd graders in elementary schools).

- The American Imperialist Wolves" who are trying to trick poor and hungry children into becoming guinea pigs for biological weapons .... (a  Language Textbook for 4th graders in elementary schools

- When we aim with our one eye closed, we can make Yankees go to pieces (a Music Textbook for 3rd graders in elementary schools).

- The American imperialists are the most vicious and shameless plunderers of the modern age, and the first-class common enemy of the world. (a Geography Textbook for 4th graders in senior high schools).


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but surely you must realize there is manipulation of the masses through our media too, right?

I dont recall seeing any toejam like this about China or anywhere when I was in 2nd grade......at least we are not programed from childhood on to want to kill other people just because they are from a given country.

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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2001, 12:37:00 AM »
Really?

I was raised to hate communists and communism. I grew up during Viet Nam (issue of the war was spread of communism, btw), I studied about Sen. Joe McCarthy in high school history, heck, I even got to see how evil communism was through useful movies like "Rambo". What is your stereotypical protrayal of a communist, btw? Did you see Red Dawn? Does that come close? (BTW, did you know who the Klingons represented in the old "Star Trek" television series? Wanna guess who the Romulans were?)

Now, I am as against communism as the next person, but what I am not against is the average Chinese or Russian citizen. You come across pretty strongly on the stereotypes, and I am only suggesting you think about what you are saying WRT the people of China.

TheWobble

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2001, 02:30:00 AM »
 
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I grew up during Viet Nam

there is the difference..you grew up during a war..it is only natural to have some sort of hate the enemy you are at war with....these things in CHILDRENS school books have been in there for a long tima..and still are...even though (until recently) there has been relative peace...


And making movies that slam a country or people while being bad is nothing compared to putting it into CHILDRENS SCHOOLBOOKS...children see things in their books as facts..the way things are..not the way they see movies...when they see americans are evil and want to kill them in there THAT IS THE WAY IT IS to them...cmon their 2nd graders....for gods sake..being taught right next to math that the Americans All want to kill and torture them.

seeing someone depicted is bad or evil in a movies is pretty tame compared to being TAUGHT that a country or people are all evil and want to kill you as part of school curriculum.

lets reverse tables here...
what woule effect your view of commies more?

A: seeing them depicted as enemies and bad guys in a movie(s).

B: being taught in school that it is a fact that China wants to test biological weapons on you and that it is your duty to kill them....

portreying somebody as an enemy in a movie is one thing...but TEACHING that they are evil and want to kill you, and that you should kill them is definatly another...


they have school songs whose themes are how to kill Americans....cmon...and they dont make any attempt at hiding it either...

I dont remember singing .. Puff the Majic Gook shooter

 
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(BTW, did you know who the Klingons represented in the old "Star Trek" television series? Wanna guess who the Romulans were?)

Wierd, i never though of that... hehe
now i want to watch star trek just to look for that stuff.....good point.


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Sandman_SBM

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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2001, 07:28:00 AM »
 
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there is the difference..you grew up during a war..

Technically, wasn't it was a police action?

TheWobble

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2001, 07:33:00 AM »
 
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Technically, wasn't it was a police action?

it was at first..but not after the first 8 months or so it developed into a limited war (meaning the americans were limited, not the cong)

besides..you never hear of the Vietnam Police Action do ya?


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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2001, 12:38:00 PM »
No, young grasshoppers.

What is now known as "the Korean War" initially was called a UN "Police Action".

What is now known as "the VietNam War" actually has it origins in the attempt of the French to reassert their right to VietNam as a colony just after WW2.

Somewhere in this O'Club I did a reasonable timeline of the events there. If you're interested, I'm sure you can find it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2001, 03:18:00 PM »
You're right, Toad, but the US involvement was a result of the Kennedy concept of containment.

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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2001, 07:18:00 PM »
 
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 it was at first..but not after the first 8 months or so it developed into a limited war (meaning the americans were limited, not the cong)

besides..you never hear of the Vietnam Police Action do ya?

Naw... they typically call it the VietNam Conflict. The guys that were there... they know... it was a war. No matter what the Congress or President sign... they know.


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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2001, 09:29:00 PM »
Kieran, I think it depends solely on where one chooses to draw the "US Involvement" line.

"July 1945 - Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, World War II Allies including the U.S., Britain, and Soviet Union, hold the Potsdam Conference in Germany to plan the post-war world. Vietnam is considered a minor item on the agenda.

In order to disarm the Japanese in Vietnam, the Allies divide the country in half at the 16th parallel. Chinese Nationalists will move in and disarm the Japanese north of the parallel while the British will move in and do the same in the south.

During the conference, representatives from France request the return of all French pre-war colonies in Southeast Asia (Indochina). Their request is granted. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia will once again become French colonies following the removal of the Japanese."

Looks to me like the major powers at Potsdam set the stage. We were involved in that, along with the Soviet Union and Great Britain.

Or, you could use this point:

"July 26, 1950 - United States military involvement in Vietnam begins as President Harry Truman authorizes $15 million in military aid to the French.

American military advisors will accompany the flow of U.S. tanks, planes, artillery and other supplies to Vietnam. Over the next four years, the U.S. will spend $3 Billion on the French war and by 1954 will provide 80 percent of all war supplies used by the French."


Or, maybe this one?

"12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends the first U.S. advisers to South Vietnam to train the South Vietnamese Army"

Yet another?

"May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret 'Special Advisors' to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of 'counter-insurgency' in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas."

The hole that sunk the boat?

"November 22, 1963 - President John F. Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas. Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn in as the 36th U.S. President. He is the fourth President coping with Vietnam and will oversee massive escalation of the war while utilizing many of the same policy advisors who served Kennedy.

November 24, 1963 - President Johnson declares he will not "lose Vietnam" during a meeting with Ambassador Lodge in Washington."


Personally, I see the root cause at Potsdam. When the three "great powers" allowed the concept of colonialism to resurrect itself the die was cast. We've paid for that.
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