Author Topic: Whats going on in Canada? (Read 4752 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #240 on:** January 13, 2006, 08:18:15 AM »

A place where the majority rules without any guarentee of human rights that can not be infringed no matter how many want em is not a place that I would like to live.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #241 on:** January 13, 2006, 09:38:32 AM »

I think the Brits are law-abiding people when sober but have a serious alcohol problem that kills ~33,000 of their fellow citizens a year.

Sad but true; if we removed alcohol, their judgement wouldn't be impaired to the point that they would break the law.

You can't trust them with an Olympic .22 target pistol; mass murder and mayhem breaks out at the very thought of a handgun. Can't really trust them with a deadly fifth of Scotch, keg of beer or bottle of wine either.

But of course, you keep saying a ban would only make things worse.

Whatever do you base that upon?

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November 19, 2005

Rise in gun crime linked to gangs

By David Rose

THE number of offences involving firearms in England and Wales has been increasing each year since 1997, according to the Home Office. Firearms incidents recorded by the police have nearly trebled in eight years.

Provisional figures released last month showed that firearms offences had increased by 5 per cent on last year, to a total of 11,160. There were 4,903 such offences in 1997.

The possession of handguns was banned in Britain that year after the Dunblane massacre. Yet the illegal ownership of handguns is believed to be higher than it has ever been, with nearly 300,000 illegal guns estimated to be in circulation.[/size]

beet1e · « **Reply #242 on:** January 13, 2006, 09:47:22 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
A place where the majority rules without any guarentee of human rights that can not be infringed no matter how many want em is not a place that I would like to live.

What, like the right to carry a manicure kit in your hand luggage on a plane? - (a right that was swept away at the stroke of a pen by the FAA fiefdom) The right to take pictures of trains, dealt a blow by the Homeland Security act?

Toad · « **Reply #243 on:** January 13, 2006, 10:03:57 AM »

Beet, better ask for Holden's hanky again:

This from the Exeter Airport's web site:

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Aircraft Cabin Prohibited Items

The following are examples of items that are not permitted in Hand (cabin) Baggage or on the person travelling:

• Scissors
• Toy or replica guns (metal or plastic)
• Catapults
• Household cutlery
• Knives with blades of any length
• Razor blades
• Tools
• Darts
• Hypodermic needles
(unless required for medical reasons)
• Sporting bats
• Billiard, snooker or pool cues
• Corkscrews
Any other item, considered by security officers to be a risk to passengers or crew, will also not be permitted in the aircraft cabin and will be confiscated in the security search area.
Place such items in Hold (checked-in) Baggage.

And this from the TSA here in the US:

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Items prohibited from aircraft cabins:

The following items will not be allowed through the security checkpoint. Please note that this list is not all-inclusive. In addition to items specifically listed here, other items that may be deemed to present a potential threat may also be prohibited.

Ammunition
Automatic weapons
Axes
Baseball bats
BB guns
Billy clubs
Blackjacks
Blasting caps
Bows and arrows
Box cutters
Brass knuckles
Bull whips
Cattle prods
Compressed air guns
Corkscrews
Cricket bats
Crow bars
Disabling chemicals or gases
Dog repellent spray
Dynamite
Fire extinguishers
Flare pistols
Golf clubs
Gun lighters
Gunpowder
Hammers
Hand grenades
Hatchets
Hockey sticks
Hunting knives
Ice axe/Ice pick
Knives (any length)
Kubatons
Large, heavy tools (such as wrenches, pliers, etc.)
Mace
Martial arts devices
Meat cleavers
Metal scissors with pointed tips
Numchucks
Pellet guns
Pen knives
Pepper spray
Pistols
Plastic explosives
Pool cues
Portable power drills
Portable power saws
Razor blades (not in a cartridge)
Religious knives
Replica weapons
Revolvers
Rifles
Road flares
SCUBA knives
Sabers
Screwdrivers
Shot guns
Ski poles
Spear guns
Starter pistols
Straight razors
Stun guns/shocking devices
Swords
Tear gas
Throwing stars
Toy transformer robots (this toy forms a toy gun)
Toy weapons

What is there on the US list that is prohibited here that would be allowed as carry-on baggage in the UK? Do tell.

beet1e · « **Reply #244 on:** January 13, 2006, 10:10:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
But of course, you keep saying a ban would only make things worse.

Whatever do you base that upon?

I've told you - repeatedly. It's already been tried. Twice - in the USA and in Finland. The results were disastrous in each case.

STILL waiting for those pictures, and that archive film footage of the 1997 gun "ban", in which the crowd goes wild - just as it did against the poll tax in 1990, and the proposed foxhunting ban in 2001 which later became law in 2004. I'm surprised it's taking you so long. After all, it was such a momentous occasion, if you are to be believed. I would have thought that there would be news teams from all over the world showing the 5 million people that it affected, marching down Whitehall. Or maybe the police, doing door to door gun collections?

Whatever, take your time. I'll be waiting to view those protest pictures after you've finished the long and arduous task of collating them!

Toad · « **Reply #245 on:** January 13, 2006, 10:43:07 AM »

[size=8]STILL[/size] waiting to hear what items are prohibited as airline carry-on baggage in the US that are allowed in the UK.

And, btw, YOU keep saying bans don't work. Have you any proof?

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[size=8]...THE number of offences involving firearms in England and Wales has been increasing each year since 1997, according to the Home Office. Firearms incidents recorded by the police have nearly trebled in eight years....

... The possession of handguns was banned in Britain that year after the Dunblane massacre. Yet the illegal ownership of handguns is believed to be higher than it has ever been, with nearly 300,000 illegal guns estimated to be in circulation.[/size]

beet1e · « **Reply #246 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:32:01 AM »

NOW I need HMcG's hanky!

Toad · « **Reply #247 on:** January 13, 2006, 12:18:52 PM »

Think about it a while. The yolks on you.

beet1e · « **Reply #248 on:** January 13, 2006, 12:21:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Think about it a while. The yolks on you.

No, silly! I'm laughing at the way the two of us have been going on at each other like a pair of old women! I can't take it seriously any more!

Time for a beer!:cool:

Toad · « **Reply #249 on:** January 13, 2006, 12:24:57 PM »

The handgun ban was a stupid, knee-jerk reaction that did nothing to lower the gun homicide rate in England. All it did was punish people who were not guilty of anything. It's political posturing at it's worst.

Now that we both agree on that, I'll have a beer with you.

lazs2 · « **Reply #250 on:** January 13, 2006, 02:32:01 PM »

now see toad.... now you are just being mean.

lazs

Curval · « **Reply #251 on:** January 13, 2006, 02:37:50 PM »

Petty...not mean.

Thrawn · « **Reply #252 on:** January 13, 2006, 02:54:23 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Royal Assent is required, but that does not mean that the queen signs bills herself. Indeed, I have found an interesting link which points out that no monarch since the 16th century has done this, and adds that "Royal Assent was last given in person by the Sovereign in 1854.

So, the method by why which the Queen gives Royal Assent doesn't change the fact that she gives it. Royal Assent is necessary to pass a law, the authority to give Royal Assent comes from the Queen.

If she wanted to she could tell parliment to go **** themselves. At that time Britain, and/or the dominions could decided to become Republics, but until they do the Queen still has her reserve powers.

Of course, MPs swear an oath of alliegence to the Queen and her lineage. So I guess they would have to be treasonous, dishonourable bastards to try and remove her as head of state.

Toad · « **Reply #253 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:07:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Petty...not mean.

Illuminating, not mean or petty.

ASTAC · « **Reply #254 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:30:41 PM »

from beetle's sig:

"What I find funny is some Americans claiming Britain's 68 gun murders last year prove gun control doesn't work, but America's 10,000 gun murders a year prove more guns = less crime."

You ever stop to think that our gun culture was a result of the tyrannical oppression of Britain over the American colonies? That maybe our second amendment was a direct result of the fact that every citizen needed to be armed to win and keep our freedom. Once anything is granted (2nd amendment for example) it gets really hard to take away.