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Offline Seagoon

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« on: December 28, 2005, 03:43:24 PM »
Hi All,

One of the questions I frequently get while I am playing AH2 and using vox is: "Why Don't You Have an Accent?" by which the questioner usually means "Why don't you have an English Accent since you are from there?" The quick answer to that, is "peer pressure and many years of assimilation" but I figure to forestall future questions I'd post a brief bio. I've said a lot about my adult life already around here, so here are the details of my early life.

I was born in Rochford, Essex England on July 29th 1969, the first born son of Victor and Wendy Webb. Both of my parents are from the London area. My Mother grew up in Seven Kings, and my Father is from Dagenham. His family were all factory workers at Ford's Dagenham plant, he was the first to break that particular mold, going into the Newspaper Business after doing a stint in the Paras during the National Service days. My family moved to the United States in the Summer of 1975, when my father took a transfer to become Managing Director of Dow Jones International in NYC. As a result I grew up in the Northern NJ towns of Millburn and Short Hills. I lost my accent the year after we arrived (1976) largely as a result of not wanting to sound like an English geek during the Bicentennial. Both of my parents were distraught and my mother in particular remarked that I sounded like Bugs Bunny while I was initially working out how to talk like an American.

One of the bennies of having a Dad who worked for DJI was that I got to travel internationally quite a bit, my father would trade in his first class ticket, for two economies and we would go with him to various places in Europe and Asia. We also went home to the UK quite a bit. The change in accent and attitude was not lost on our relatives overseas and at one family funeral I remember two cousins remarking regarding me "Doesn't he look American?" (so apparently being in the USA actually affects not only your point-of-view but actual physical appearance).

My school career until Seminary was an unmitigated disaster. I was kicked out of my first public (i.e. UK private) school at the age of 3 which was a grave disappointment for my family. On arriving in America, I started attending a local public school  and the administration eventually strongly suggested I go somewhere else (since I was apparently too young for Juvie Hall), so my parents, hoping that greater discipline would be the solution to my huge behavior problems, signed me up at the   local Catholic School this despite the fact that we were not Catholic (or anything else for that matter). Eventually, they too suggested strongly that I leave, so I started attending another public school, where I did even worse (my school day consisted of standing in the hall, sitting in the principal's office and then going to detention - no joke) and eventually I ended up back at the Catholic School, until finally going to a private school a couple of towns away. Incidentally, it was in Catholic school that my feelings towards Christianity hardened from apathy to antipathy, eventually flowering into full-blown hatred in University. I can honestly say though, that I never once heard or observed anything even approximating the biblical gospel in school.

Anyway, to make a long story short, after graduation, I applied for and was accepted to the University of St. Andrews in Fife, Scotland which thankfully didn't look at my behavior records from my prior schooling. I graduated from St. As with an MA in 1991 - it would have been 1990 but I failed a final by deciding that getting really, really hammered was much more important than studying . There I majored in traveling, and killing brain-cells and minored in the classes I was supposed to be attending. After graduation I moved back to the USA, started work in advertising in NYC, first with my dad's company and then a Madison Ave Ad Co (copy writing and selling and buying ad space). Eventually my wife to be and I got engaged and we moved to Washington D.C. where we both ended up working in
computers. I was converted in 1993 and moved to Philadelphia in 1997 to begin attending  seminary full time.

I graudated from WTS with my M.Div in 2001 received 2 calls and eventually took one to plant a church here in Fayetteville, NC. By God's grace the plant was a success and became a particular church in 2005.

Here is my ugly mug back when I had hair (as opposed to just back hair) in 1994 from an old passport:


BTW, an interesting factoid is that politically, our family is almost universally socialist in leaning (big surprise eh?). My Uncle Harry was a union organizer at the Ford's Works for most of his life and went on to become a Labor Councilor for Rainham/Havering: http://www.havering.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=4039

So there it is... Why I don't have an accent and stuff...

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2005, 05:03:58 PM »
I was wondering about the accent after watching one of your sermons...btw..thought ya gave up the o-club:D
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2005, 07:06:58 PM »
Hi ASTAC,

Yeah well I said I'd step back from the stuff that wasn't personal or question related, but for better or worse this is the only forum to answer personal questions that come up in the MA. Since I've gotten the question at least 4 or 5 times of late, I figured it was time to lay out the full facts of my strange and terrible life history.

As for being back here, what's that Michael Corleone line from Godfather III about trying to get out of the business? ;)

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2005, 07:36:50 PM »
Thanks for the info Goon,

It's not quite the same but I grew up in Nebraska (of wich people really don't have accents cept to say "pop" instead of soda) but would spend the summers with my cousins in Georgia.  It never failed that I'd show up in the south "talking like a yankee" and come home to NE "talkin like a hick"  

I converted eventually and became a full time "soda" person instead of "pop".  In addition I used phrases all the time, and much to the ridicule of my peers, like "fixin" as in "I'm fixin to go home" and Y'all and "yes Sir/Ma'm"  The southerners thought I was rude and my midwestern friends thought I was an inbread idiot.  

I can somwhat see where you are coming from.  


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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005, 11:34:07 PM »
Voice training can work.  I did it.  Still sound like a good 'ol boy.:D

I think voice changes consciously according to the surroundings and circumstances.  Southrn drawl and midwest both have their time and place.





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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 10:03:20 AM »
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I converted eventually and became a full time "soda" person instead of "pop".  In addition I used phrases all the time, and much to the ridicule of my peers, like "fixin" as in "I'm fixin to go home" and Y'all and "yes Sir/Ma'm"  The southerners thought I was rude and my midwestern friends thought I was an inbread idiot.  





Wow I thought in most of the south everything is "Coke" I.E. "What kind of coke do you want?"

I've noticed that soda is a neutral term used by us military types to avoid the whole "pop/coke" argument since we are all from different parts of the country.

Just for fun heres a map showing all the regional names.

Regional soda map
« Last Edit: December 29, 2005, 10:18:08 AM by ASTAC »
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 12:02:49 PM »
The best method for teaching anyone a language or a dialect is of course immersion where they are surrounded by that language constantly.

Over time, my American accent has become my "real" accent. I used to flip back into an English accent when speaking with family, or going back to the UK. But gradually that "chameleon" feature stopped as well. I speak English with a North Eastern USA accent and dialect ("you guys" is still my plural "you" instead of "youse" or "Ya'll").

Thankfully most people cannot detect where in the NE USA I grew up because I don't have a strong "Noo Joisey" accent  - although somehow my middle son has developed one he says "Boids" instead of Birds and "Tomatta" for instance, instead of Tomato - and he's lived all his life in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Gotta cut back on the Looney Toons or he's going to end up sounding like a mix between the Bowery Boys and the Three Stooges. He turned to his sister during dinner recently and said "Hey Laughing Boy, No more bullets."

I still eat in the English manner though, with fork in left hand and knife in right hand throughout the meal, instead of cutting the food first and then using the fork in the right hand. I have learned to brush my teeth and shower and wash my hair daily though, and I no longer own a single Anorak.

Someday I'll have to see if I can dig out and upload a recording that was made on the Southend Pier when I was 3, in it I have the BBC accent my parents were trying so hard to culture.

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 12:26:40 PM »
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my father would trade in his first class ticket, for two economies and we would go with him to various places in Europe and Asia.  


I got this far and said to myself "Wow...he must have really loved you".  First class is pretty nice.  I got upgraded on a recent flight to India.

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Had to chirp in...I'll read the rest of the post later.:)
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 12:47:06 PM »
What the heck is an Anorak?????
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 01:05:59 PM »
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What the heck is an Anorak?????


A type of rain jacket.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 01:27:00 PM »
What you would call a Parka.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorak

Here is Terry Gilliam of Monty Python fame modeling a typical Anorak:



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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2005, 03:13:41 PM »
That's nothing. Imagine a 2 1/2 yr old telling his grandaddy in a very southern accent that "Grandaddy I goin' to shooot da whitetail deeeerr."

It was the funniest thing I have ever heard. Our youngest son speaks with an extremely southern accent while our oldest speaks with a Carolina accent like I do (my family tree in the US started in Virginia and the Carolinas then moved here) but my wife has a mixture of Yankee, overseas american english (she lived in Iran and Germany while her father was in the military) and south Alabama southern drawl.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 05:39:13 AM »
you could just tell people that you are quite clearly not american because you own a passport...
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 05:43:35 AM »
The various New England accents are uniformly shrill and annoying.  



Virginia Piedmont dialect (stereotypical "deep south") is music to my ears when spoken by a female, unquestionably the best of the various American accents for a woman.  Sadly it's disappearing these days.  


Many Americans speak with a distinct accent (that is, distinct from "General American") and don't even realize it.  I grew up and live in an area known for the "Northern Cities Shift" and I honestly couldn't tell you whether I have that particular accent.  Many different regions have their own unique accents, and we don't always even notice it.


How many of these words sound identical when you pronounce them (not merely read them)?

1. Cot-Caught

2. Whine-Wine

3. Pin-Pen

4. Marry-Merry-Mary

5. Metal-Medal

6. Ant-Aunt

7. Tire-Tar


Numbers 2, 4, 5, and 6 sound the same when I say them.  


Do you say "Milk" or "Melk", or even "Meelk"?


For me, the carbonated drink is "pop" and the side of the road is the "berm".  Do you pronounce the "R" in words like "car"?  I do; a buddy of mine from Connecticut doesn't.



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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2005, 11:55:45 AM »
Hi Furball,

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you could just tell people that you are quite clearly not american because you own a passport...


Yeah, but the reality of the situation is that while I'm not legally or officially American, I'm more "Americanized" than a lot of people who do actually own an American passport, and certainly less authentically British than the vast majority of Britons.

Let's face it, its not just that I don't speak like most Englishmen, I also don't think or act like most of the current generation of Englishmen. That's one of the major reasons I decided to finally begin the process of applying for citizenship. As I mentioned before, going home would be rather like the joke headline in Johnny Dangerously "Roman Moronie Deported to Sweden. Says He's Not From There."

Curiously enough, while my 6 year old's logic told me that speaking like an American would be an advantage, as it turns out, keeping the British accent would have been an advantage in the long run, and I don't just mean in dating. I'm always amazed at how much more willing Americans are to actually listen to a sermon when it's delivered by someone with a Scottish or English accent.

In fact over in the UK I know some incredible Pastors who are limping along, with tiny congregations, they are faithful preachers and expositors of the word, but since evangelical Christianity is about as popular as the plague in Britain virtually no one is interested in hearing what they have to say.  When they come over to the USA however, people flock to hear them, and not just because people are more amenable to evangelical Christianity in this country. Its not just what they say, but the way they say it.

That doesn't go both ways however, Britons definitely are not more willing to listen to someone because they have an American accent...
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